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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 10 May 2005 : 05:15:55
Just when I thought I had seen it all....along comes this from WOTC's online site.
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| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Mournblade |
Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 05:15:45
I find the Paladin Succubus something absolutely IMPOSSIBLE. I think that the creatures of the planes are so TIED to their alignment it is impossible to break.
A fallen celestial would transform into a devil or demon. a Risen Devil would transform into some type of celestial.
I am going to stop posting tonight, I am all worked up about hasbro and I am starting to sound like something from the Negative Planes...
Sigh
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 04:30:36
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
You know, for as critical as I was of this whole insane competition, after seeing her stats as a fallen paladin turned blackguard, somehow I want to use her as a villain now. Something interesting about her being "twice evil."
Oh there certainly are gaming aspects of twice evil. It just is not what I voted for. Also power attack as a feat remaining good strikes me as rather odd for any Succubus, their nature is to fight though charm using weapons at last resort (with teleport this resort should rarely be needed) , I see no problem with a Paladin draining levels from an evil creature, others might differ with my opinion. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 04:01:16
You know, for as critical as I was of this whole insane competition, after seeing her stats as a fallen paladin turned blackguard, somehow I want to use her as a villain now. Something interesting about her being "twice evil." |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 03:52:00
Fraud, she does not have her Vrock mount while a Paladin, I want my votes back.
Maybe this explains it "Robert Wiese entered the gaming hobby through the Boy Scouts" maybe not. I truely suspect that no one expected a redemned demon to win the contest. The back story is lame and perhaps ripped from ideas put forth at the WotC boards with a slight variation. I am not happy at all with this development. |
| warlockco |
Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 03:12:30
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
...And Eludecia is the subject of a new D&D Fight Club article -- the first one in about 3 years!
Nice, that they did her as a straight Paladin, and then as a ex-Paladin turned Blackguard.
So got 6 stat blocks instead of the usual 3. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 02:49:43
...And Eludecia is the subject of a new D&D Fight Club article -- the first one in about 3 years! |
| warlockco |
Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 04:41:26
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
OK I see the result now it was not there before.
57.2 vs. 42.8 not bad, though the precentage was beat by others in various matchups.
I'm happy either way. Jannys and Eludecia, were 2 of the 3, that I wanted to see at the finals. The other was the Marilith. Though I was rooting for Eludecia more than the others. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 03:52:26
OK I see the result now it was not there before.
57.2 vs. 42.8 not bad, though the precentage was beat by others in various matchups. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 03:41:19
They posted up that Eludecia won by 57.x% and Janys got 42.x% can't remember the exact numbers.
The image of the Succubus is a bit racy...
C-Fb |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 02:47:04
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Only as long as they have pictures like that.. cuz no one is going to be looking at her virtues.
Not sure what you are talking about as I do not load images. Anyway over at the "boards that should not be mentioned" many appear to believe image was the deciding factor, though some even allow for an anti-Drow vote, perhaps posible for a demon to be redeemed. Certainly enough votes came in for Eludecia for her to win. We however have not been told percentage spread so far as to how tight a contest was. The Image voters certainly might have been the swing vote. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 02:32:15
Only as long as they have pictures like that.. cuz no one is going to be looking at her virtues. 
C-Fb |
| warlockco |
Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 00:09:01
So it goes to prove, bad girls can be good and win. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 23 Aug 2005 : 20:46:02
Eludecia wins the day , so after all the odds making I did in the end I was odds on *wink* |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 14:45:00
I just vote for the Succubi Paladin because she had the hotte... I mean, best picture of all the characters. :)
Plus, the Tarrasque is overrated...
C-Fb |
| warlockco |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 11:31:46
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
It is kinda funny how people are more acceptable of a Fallen Angel, then a Reformed Demon though.
Well, it could be argued that being good is more difficult. Thus, falling from good is more likely and believable than stepping away from evil.
Explain that to the guys that created Knights of the Old Republic II, by the time I was able to create a lightsaber, I could be 100% with the Lightside of the Force (and this is with making some evil choices), but going the evil route, I was no where close to being 100% with the Darkside. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 11:22:39
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
It is kinda funny how people are more acceptable of a Fallen Angel, then a Reformed Demon though.
Well, it could be argued that being good is more difficult. Thus, falling from good is more likely and believable than stepping away from evil. |
| warlockco |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 06:42:29
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
Actually there are many more ways this can occur. Magic is not required in all of them.
Born Evil Chaotic does not require one stay bith alignment. Life experience certainly can move alignment toward either law or good or both.
There of course are the Sineaters out there that offer a choice, however do not impose an alignment change. Consume Sins is Su ability.
Yes I know many have proplems with the idea of a redemned demon, however the ruleset permits alingment shifts to occur over time without magic or with it.
It is kinda funny how people are more acceptable of a Fallen Angel, then a Reformed Demon though. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:38:19
Actually there are many more ways this can occur. Magic is not required in all of them.
Born Evil Chaotic does not require one stay bith alignment. Life experience certainly can move alignment toward either law or good or both.
There of course are the Sineaters out there that offer a choice, however do not impose an alignment change. Consume Sins is Su ability.
Yes I know many have proplems with the idea of a redemned demon, however the ruleset permits alingment shifts to occur over time without magic or with it. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:22:45
I can think of two way for a Succubus to be a Paladin
1) She put on a Helm of Opposite Alignment
CE is of cause the direct opposite of LG (The only alignment that supports paladins)
2) A LG Spell caster cast Sanctify the Wicked on the Succubus |
| warlockco |
Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:12:21
This is gonna be hard to decide, I like them both so much, Jannys or Eludecia.... |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 18:28:10
Odds on again.
Now the final contest.
Good vs. Evil
Vrock vs. Golem
living vs. undead |
| warlockco |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 06:37:45
Go Eludecia!! Show that giant the true power of a reformed Demoness!!
I so want to see Jannys and Eludecia go at it. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 19:11:47
Oh well went off odds, the lizard was defeated (I had rated chances a little better fir it then the lich).
Eludecia contends again, my odds on favorite for this match and overall contest. We will have to see.
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| warlockco |
Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 04:58:12
Go Girl Power!! The Drow Lich will blast that overgrown Iguana away. If anyone has the fire power to do so, she should. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 19:09:38
Oh to the next round, though there appears to be a lot that now hate a certain Paladin. So far still odds on. Though it appears the Meepo supporters now are in favor the the lizard. Maybe they choose poorly, again. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 13:06:56
It appears that the named doglike huminoid (that somehow becan dragon kin) has a lot of support over at WotC boards.
One thing to remember it is a popularity contest, not a battleto the death. I still support Eludecia and do believe her a better choice, but the other may be getting a lot of votes.
Some of the arguements against Eludecia is that 3.x has demons as always evil, thus Eludecia can not exist (or at least have Paladin classes), that her mount is not an animal or even a magical breast, but also a demon, that if Eludecia wins overall the adventure written will have to be for at least level 12.
As for always evil, the Lich has the same requirement however we know that good liches exist as well. So it follows the always evil does not always mean always. It follows that there can be good demons.
As for the mount. In 3.5 the mount is a summoned creature not like in older editions that an animal had to be found. The suculbus has ability to summon a Vock as a racial ability. The summon mount can actually be evil however subjected to the control and commands of the Paladin. It does not have to be good. Further the magical beast summoned might only look like a Vock as oposed to being an actual demon.
A level 12 adventure as oposed to dog faced at some unknown level, after all we do not know how many class levels were gained, holds no merit at all.
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| warlockco |
Posted - 27 Jul 2005 : 06:35:45
Go Demonic Paladin, stomp that little reptile into the ground!!! |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 20:27:46
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
Odds of winning the contest.
Tarrasque 3 - 1
Warforged Ninja 5 - 1
Jannys Shadowgaunt 4 - 1
Troll Berserker 10 - 1
Stone Giant Paladin 8 - 1
Succubus Paladin 5 - 2
Meepo 6 - 1
Well still odds on, now Paladin vs, Paladin. Clearly not a battle to the death.
*Debates adjusting odds* In some ways of course we now know Warforged Ninja and Troll Berserker odd's on winner are. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 20:55:38
So far I am odds on, the Lich won.
Now troll vs. giant comences, I voted odds off just to be contray. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 21:36:23
quote:
Originally posted by Thelonius Andrass
Go succubus paladin!!!!!! 
Yes vote and vote right.
Vote live grrl power.
Vote often *wink*
Edit: A little seach of WotC site pointed me here http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=6628346
where in it is wtitten. " In addition, look for a return to the Fight Club, with stats provided for our two demons of the Creature Competition: Aishapra the Marilith Dervish, and Eludecia the Succubus Paladin."
So at least the flying Paladin has a name, however a seach of WotC website for the name currently provides no hits. |
