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brjr2001 Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 20:09:30
i have a dwarven war axe with sunder placed upon it. if i get the improve crit feat will i be able to have 17-20x3? or would i only get 18-20x3?
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bitter thorn Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 14:30:43
We house ruled that it still stacks in 3.5ed. We felt that fighter types needed the help at mid to high levels to keep up with spell slingers, and more than a few things are immune to crits at higher CRs.

quote:
Originally posted by brjr2001

well g guys thanks ill have to tell my DM (even though it makes me sad)
heh he just called me and he said oh i belive that i looked in the DM guide (he only has 3.0) and it says that they stack so go ahead. LOL well i guess you doesn't watch Candlekeep. Thanks anyways guys

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brjr2001 Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 18:10:21
well g guys thanks ill have to tell my DM (even though it makes me sad)
heh he just called me and he said oh i belive that i looked in the DM guide (he only has 3.0) and it says that they stack so go ahead. LOL well i guess you doesn't watch Candlekeep. Thanks anyways guys

I Am Pic
Lvl 9 Fighter
32 AC
Kalin Agrivar Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 16:11:53
well, if you look at the Unapproachable East book you can see there is a slow trickle of Kara-Tur "eastern-ness" entering Faerun, which opens up the door for the OA book...I think it is out-of-print now but if you can find it cheap I'd definately get it...it has some pretty powerful PrCs that convert easily to the Realms..plus all the original oriental classes not watered down in the "complete" book line...
Mace Hammerhand Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 16:02:42
Don't own either... and unless I abduct my main group's PCs to Kara Tur I doubt I'll use any of it...there are enough books to read as it is...
Kalin Agrivar Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 15:54:45
yep, the Kensai PrC in the D&D 3.0 Oriental Adventure hardcover...it is much more powerful (IMO) than the Complete Warrior version
Mace Hammerhand Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 15:47:08
OA was 3.0 or?
Kalin Agrivar Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 13:56:33
Take a look at the original Kensai PrC in the OA (not the crappier CF book)...it does stack with the Improved Critical (or at leats that is how I interpreted it)
Chosen of Moradin Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 11:49:17
Thankīs God that they donīt stack in the 3.5 edition. But, to the ones that want to have a good chance with his critical hits, we have the Power Critical feat, in the Complete Warrior.
Sian Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 10:37:16
or use the armor variant on SRD

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Mace Hammerhand Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 10:14:36
quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch

Absolutely horrible combination that was. I banned that rule from my game table! Too powerful!

On a side note: Stacking would make sense though - keen ability to acknowledge a sharper blade that is more easily causing critical wounds & Improved Crit Feat as to acknowledge the fighter's progress and how he is able to learn to hit better and 'on the right marks'.



It does make sense, provided such a weapon has the penalty of being unable to cut through heavier armor.

If, for example, a rapier is used in such a way, one would also have to introduce armor differences in terms of resilience to piercing/slashing etc. or you change to damage resistance for armors in addition to AC whereas a magical bonus improves the DR and not the AC:

a +2 chainmail would have a +5 (or so) AC bonus and a DR7/piercing for example...or some such thing.
Kaladorm Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 09:23:41
Keen and improved critical on a rapier anyone?
Ergdusch Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 08:16:53
Absolutely horrible combination that was. I banned that rule from my game table! Too powerful!

On a side note: Stacking would make sense though - keen ability to acknowledge a sharper blade that is more easily causing critical wounds & Improved Crit Feat as to acknowledge the fighter's progress and how he is able to learn to hit better and 'on the right marks'.
Mace Hammerhand Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 07:57:52
Imagine a low damage high crit weapon...with keen and a wielder having the improved crit feat.

Crits would come 25% of the time
LucianBarasu Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 07:50:02
Yes, alas, one of my favs in 3.0, but As a DM, I am glad of the change.
Mace Hammerhand Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 07:13:30
I knew that
Purple Dragon Knight Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 04:34:07
Yes, 3.5 put a stop to this nonsense! :)
Dargoth Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 02:16:07
Im pretty sure it implicitly says they dont stack in either the Feat description in the PHB or in the Keen ability write up in the 3.5 DMG
dwarvenranger Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 02:03:18
Yup it changed in 3.5.
Reefy Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 02:01:46
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

quote:
Originally posted by brjr2001

sorry not sunder i have the keen ability placed apon it do you think the bonus would stack



Keen and Improved Critical dont stack



I must have missed that. Did that change in 3.5? I swear they did in 3E.
Dargoth Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 01:43:37
quote:
Originally posted by brjr2001

sorry not sunder i have the keen ability placed apon it do you think the bonus would stack



Keen and Improved Critical dont stack
brjr2001 Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 01:07:51
sorry not sunder i have the keen ability placed apon it do you think the bonus would stack
Mace Hammerhand Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 22:10:22
Refresh my memory, where is this special ability found?

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