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| Figgas |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 00:49:11
Well, I am fairly new to the FR universe and I just finished The Temptation of Elminster and as always I hunger for more knowledge :). (I've read Elminster: Making of a Mage and Elminster in Myth Drannor along with the Archwizards Trilogy by Troy Denning which is a fantastic series I might add.) Which novel should I read next in order to learn about Elminsters doings. The love between Mystra and Elminster intrigues me, which novel expands on this love if there is a book that does so. Or if ole Ed left me to ponder for hours about the possibilities :). Thanks for your time. |
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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 15 Feb 2004 : 05:46:14
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Here is the link:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2566/ed-elwhere.htm
Thanks for the link. I've visited that site before and just missed that information. I'm additionally grateful because of the new article they have on some noble clans of Cormyr. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 15 Feb 2004 : 04:52:02
Actually, I just went to Yahoo! and typed in "Elminster's Daughter". It's the only one I found that has actual info on the book.
Here is the link:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2566/ed-elwhere.htm |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 15 Feb 2004 : 03:39:02
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Originally posted by DDH_101
I think Daughter of Elminster has to do with one of the Seven Sisters, probably the Simbul since the book takes place like right after Elminster in Hell. I have read a sypnosis on the internet about the book, saying Elminster has lost some of his powers and memories. This resulted in him sometimes not bebing able to even cast a cantrip and also go beserk (such as attacking the Simbul). Other than that, I don't really know much about the book.
Here is a link to a pic of the cover if you haven't seen it:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/frnovel/965400000
I have a family member who likes to browse online for fantasy art. I saw she found a site with a bigger version of this cover illustration. I can't recall the artist's name, but the bigger version is even more breath taking.
Where did you find this synopsis? An official site? A fan site? |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 15 Feb 2004 : 00:13:28
I think Daughter of Elminster has to do with one of the Seven Sisters, probably the Simbul since the book takes place like right after Elminster in Hell. I have read a sypnosis on the internet about the book, saying Elminster has lost some of his powers and memories. This resulted in him sometimes not bebing able to even cast a cantrip and also go beserk (such as attacking the Simbul). Other than that, I don't really know much about the book.
Here is a link to a pic of the cover if you haven't seen it:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/frnovel/965400000 |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 20:02:09
Astonishing! Some of what could be on par with overdeities are not in there! So I assume blackmailing the Lady of Pain is out of the question too? 
Anyways we have two questions about Eliminster (thus protecting me from Alaundo's wrath . See? Protection from Irritated Moderator) Anyways these are just curiosities. First, That accursed pipe of his is said to be sentient?!?! And Second This book coming up... the Daughter of Eliminster... Is it acually about A Daughter of Eliminster? If so she could be the perfect vessel to embody Karsus, reborn! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:27:05
Strangely no...Looking over the record of known names, there was no mention of Asmodeus, or Jazirian for that matter. It boggles the mind doesn't it...about how truly powerful both of the beings actually are...
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| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:24:04
Yes... If such a book exists it could prove to be very powerful indeed. An artifact that would finally bring the Deities and Deity like powere within the grasp of the True Balance. To Command them as none other... Would be grand no? Why... Even old Graz'zt and Asmodeus would be in there we guess... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:18:56
Actually, there is a 'Book of True Names' held within one of the white fortresses of Mt Celestia that both the assorted celestial and Lawful deities use at times to ascertain the true names of certain higher power beings. It is protected at all times by an elite corp of combined guardinals, eladrins and other celestials in the hope that it does not fall into the wrong hands.
So, it makes you wonder then, exactly whose names are contained within the tome, and what powers would be associated with the knowledge of these names...
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| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:13:24
The True name of Mystra, Midnight, Ariel Manx or what have you, has no real value as we see it. She is not a Tanar'ri to be bound by simply her name... (if it were that easy we would have another Karsus... which as all know, we do not think of this as a bad thing ). If Cyric is the Prince of all Lies (as some Cyricist like to believe) then perhaps (as before) he has fallen for his own lie and that is that the name means something. Alas, this lie cannot be undone by anything but Cyric himself. After all, Kelemvor still goes by his own name, as well as Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul. Names are power to Demons, not deities... an unfortunate turn of events... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 07:25:09
Thanks for that Sirius, I was hoping one of my fellow scribes here would list page numbers. I was at the library at the time, so I couldn't check. Although, I did encounter something Realms-related while looking for an atlas on ancient Macedonia (pre-Hellenic) here in the library...For in the Non-Fiction Earth Atlas section, there were three copies of the old FR Atlas...I wonder how they got there...
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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 03:55:05
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Originally posted by The Sage
I also think Midnight's true name, as well as her biography prior to the events of the ToT, was detailed in the old Hall of Heroes tome...
It is, on page 42-43 of this tome, the god formerly known as Ariel Manx is detailed. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 13 Feb 2004 : 23:38:26
About Mystra's true name, why doesn't Cyric use it against her? He knew of it when he overheard Kelemvor and Midnight talking in Shadowdale. Also, at the end of Waterdeep, Cyric reminded himself that he knew Midnight's true name and that he could use it against her. Since she has been against him for so long, why doesn't he curse her or something? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 13 Feb 2004 : 11:16:49
I also think Midnight's true name, as well as her biography prior to the events of the ToT, was detailed in the old Hall of Heroes tome...
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| Lord Rad |
Posted - 13 Feb 2004 : 09:17:16
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Rad, you can find out by reading Shadowdale, the first book in the Avatar series.
Thanks DDH. Shadowdale was one of the first books I had read so I guess it didnt stick in my mind and I cant remember reading it in any sourcebooks recently. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 13 Feb 2004 : 00:07:45
Rad, you can find out by reading Shadowdale, the first book in the Avatar series. |
| Figgas |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 20:31:30
Thanks guys and The Hooded One  |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 15:19:33
Wow, id never heard that Midnights real name was Ariel Manx! Where is this written? Maybe Ive just somehow brushed over it and not taken it in.
::waits for the huge list of FR products which mention this fact::  |
| The Hooded One |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 15:15:03
In the published Realms, Ed hasn't delved too deeply into this topic (we as players have seen a bit more). Books such as Shadows of Doom and Hand of Fire touch on it briefly, but if you’re expecting an entire book devoted to it, you'll be disappointed, I'm afraid.
Elminster's relationship with the "new" Mystra (the former mortal Ariel Manx, aka Midnight) is covered extensively in Elminster In Hell, and (if I can trust Ed's teasing hints) comes up a few times in the forthcoming Elminster’s Daughter.
This is one of the things I wish he'd write more about, but Ed is reluctant to have gods onstage too much, feeling there's too much emphasis in Realms fiction on divine meddling, which leads to large-scale, world-shaking events and plots.
But seeing as I very much want to see more on this from Ed, I'll work on him for you. :} (And I can be VERY persuasive.)
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| Crust |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 12:09:19
He does. He's in the third book, I think, entitled, Song of the Saurials.
Oh yeah, the reprints. That's true. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 06:01:29
Elminster shows up in the Finder Stone trilogy?
BTW, Crust, Crucible and Prince of Lies are also in the Avatar series now. |
| Crust |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 01:28:01
Don't read the Shadows of the Avatar trilogy until you've read the Avatar trilogy (Shadowdale, Tantras, and Waterdeep).
Also, read Spellfire, Crown of Fire, Silverfall, Elminster in Hell, and The Finder's Stone trilogy for more Elminster appearances. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 01:12:47
Well, if you wanna read more about Elminster, you should read the Shadows of the Avatar trilogy. It talks about Elminster during the Times of Trouble and how he had part of Mystra's power in him. |
