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[quote][i]Originally posted by 1neuro11[/i]
[br]So, working on some story beats for my campaign and I came to the part where the BBEG dies. I know that mortal souls are sent to the Fugue Plane where they can wait up to a tenday before a divine servant came to collect them for whatever god claimed their soul. Or they could strike up a bargain and serve in the Nine Hells or no one could claim them and they would just kind of fade away unless the Lord of Death judged them first.

This is all great and straightforward for the most part, but my BBEG isn't ever so easy to pin an answer too. Manshoon. What happens when one of the clones of Manshoon that survived the Manshoon War's dies? Are all of the different Manshoon's just fragmented pieces of the OG Manshoon? Or do they get their own soul and afterlife, independent of the Mainshoon?

My players have unfortunately made a life long enemy of Manshoon (the one from the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module) and they have thought they killed him a few times, but oops, just a simulacrum. The big end of the campaign will be a final showdown with the full powered Manshoon clone. But will he show up on the Fugue Plane ready to be claimed by Bane? Or try and bargain a deal out of the Nine Hells? Or does his fragment return to Mainshoon, HighLander style?

I'm cool with having to make my own lore, but wanted to see what the minds of Candlekeep thought and if there was ever an answer to a similar question on Manshoon or other clone shenanigans. Thanks!
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1neuro11	Posted - 22 Oct 2025 : 21:32:10 So, working on some story beats for my campaign and I came to the part where the BBEG dies. I know that mortal souls are sent to the Fugue Plane where they can wait up to a tenday before a divine servant came to collect them for whatever god claimed their soul. Or they could strike up a bargain and serve in the Nine Hells or no one could claim them and they would just kind of fade away unless the Lord of Death judged them first. This is all great and straightforward for the most part, but my BBEG isn't ever so easy to pin an answer too. Manshoon. What happens when one of the clones of Manshoon that survived the Manshoon War's dies? Are all of the different Manshoon's just fragmented pieces of the OG Manshoon? Or do they get their own soul and afterlife, independent of the Mainshoon? My players have unfortunately made a life long enemy of Manshoon (the one from the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module) and they have thought they killed him a few times, but oops, just a simulacrum. The big end of the campaign will be a final showdown with the full powered Manshoon clone. But will he show up on the Fugue Plane ready to be claimed by Bane? Or try and bargain a deal out of the Nine Hells? Or does his fragment return to Mainshoon, HighLander style? I'm cool with having to make my own lore, but wanted to see what the minds of Candlekeep thought and if there was ever an answer to a similar question on Manshoon or other clone shenanigans. Thanks!
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Ayrik	Posted - 23 Oct 2025 : 03:48:59 quote: Originally posted by Dalor Darden IF the very last clone of Manshoon were to ever be destroyed...then you would have to worry about him going to judgement. Until all of the Manshoons are gone, he is safe in my book. Kill and destroy every clone? Successfully completing a task that Elminster has repeatedly failed to do is no small order. The Cloneshoons all have linked minds and essences, they're all fully aware of each other, that's why they've each gone insane. Just like the old-rules spell description for clone said would happen. (Manshoon's excessive villainy and paranoia, and his obsessive drive to magically avoid getting killed seem to suggest he was already irredeemably insane, anyhow. And Vampshoon, along with clones of Vampshoons, sort of put an extra twist on that dagger of the mind into irrevocable insanity.) So it seems fair to assume the cloneshoons all share the same eternal soul (or whatever), as well. Just like any other character wouldn't ever truly face an eternal afterlife as long as any of his clones still existed.
Dalor Darden	Posted - 22 Oct 2025 : 22:40:14 IF the very last clone of Manshoon were to ever be destroyed...then you would have to worry about him going to judgement. Until all of the Manshoons are gone, he is safe in my book.

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