| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 26 Nov 2006 : 22:06:03
Morbiczer over at Enworld is posting excerpts from FC2
http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=180000&page=3&pp=40
He starts answering questions about half way down the page
Contents page
Chapter 1: All about Devils 7-32
The Economy of Hell
Promotion and DEmotion
Soul Harvesting
The Blood War
Devils as Monsters
Devils and Demons
A DM's Guide to Demons
Mortals and Devils
Corrupt Acts
Chapter 2: The Nine Hells 33-76
Each layer has its on section, built up as follows:
Lord of the Layer
Important Locations
Divine Realms (if there are any)
Encounters on the Layer
Chapter 3: Game Rules 77-106
New Race: Hellbred (When someone dies, and repents his sins in the moment of death, they can become helbred. They don't go to either Heaven or Hell. They fight against evil in Hell, and some will find final salvation and ascend to celestial planes, but most fail. The concept doesn't impress me much.
New Feats: 27 Feats, inculding divine feats and a new type, devil-touched feats.
Prestige Classes
New Spells: 21 spells, including 15 Investiture spells, which give you some aspects of a devil, but you become fatigued for a minute when the spell runs out.
Chapter 4: Devils 107-138 (monster section)
Chapter 5: The Lords of the Nine 141-158
Aspect of Bel, Lord of the First - CR 20
Aspect of Dispater, Lord of the Second - CR 21
Aspect of Mammon, Lord of the Third - CR 21
Aspect of Belial, Lord of the Fourth - CR 21
Aspect of Fierna, Lord of the Fourth - CR 19 (This layer has two lords.)
Aspect of Levistus, Lord of the Fifth - CR 21
Aspect of Glasya, Lord of the Sixth - CR 22
Aspect of Baalzebul, Lord of the Seventh - CR 23
Aspect of Mephistoheles, Lord of the Eighth - CR 24
Aspect of Asmodeus, Lord of the Ninth - CR 27
New Devils
Abishai (white, black, green, blue, and red) - CR 4-8 - Servants of Tiamat
Amnizu - CR 7 - Guardian devils who oversee traffic through the gates of hell.
Assassin Devil (Dogai) - CR 11 - Skilled killers.
Ayperobos Swarm - CR 12 - A swarm of Diminutive devils.
Harvester Devil (Falxugon) - CR 7 - Seductive schemers.
Hellfire Engine - CR 19 - Artillery used in the Blood War.
Kalabon - CR 1/2 - Devils spawned from the carcass of the Hag Countess.
Legion Devil (merregon) - CR 3 - Hell's weakest food soldiers.
Malebranche - CR 14 - Devils who serve other, more intelligent devils.
Narzugon - CR 5 - Elite cavalry of the baatezu.
Nupperibo - CR 2 - Tormented devils, ho have been demoted by their masters.
Orthon - CR 8 - Foot soldiers in Hell's armies.
Paeliryon - CR 18 - Crafty baatezu that manage vast spy networks across the planes.
Pain Devil (Excruciarch) - CR 7 - Diabolical torturers.
Pleasure Devil (Brachina) - CR 11 - Hell's version of the succubus.
Spined Devil (Spinagon) - CR 4 - Small fiends, sometimes used as spys by the archdevils.
Steel Devil (Bueroza) - CR 6 - Soldier in the Blood War.
Xerfilstyx - CR 15 - Terrifying devils living in the River Styx.
There are four prestige classes:
Hellbreaker Thieves who specialize in infiltrating infernal strongholds and relieving them of their treasure.
Hellfire Warlock Warlocks who use hellfire, a dangerous energy found only in the Nine Hells.
Hellreaver Good warriors who fight devils ang bet bonuses against them.
Soulgard Mostly clerics or paladins who try to save good souls who have been tricked by devils in to servitude. (Or something like that.) |
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 17 Feb 2007 : 04:57:30
Wizards have posted a Pdf for FC2 covering Aspects from the Nine Hells
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070216a |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 16:25:01
quote:
Originally posted by Shemmy
Largely omitting mention of the Ancient Baatorians was a major oversight for FC:II, but not sure where you're coming from about Lucifer. There was never any mention in earlier editions of any being named Lucifer who preceeded Asmodeus; in fact there was never any mention of a named ruler who preceeded him. The BoVD had a passing (joking) reference to earlier rulers, but that was a wink and nod to the very early (joke) article in Dragon 'The Politics of Hell' (the one with Ronald McDonald as a duke of hell, etc).
No, not Ronald McDonald, twas the Burger King who once ruled the ever-deepening Pits of Baator.
And I think Shemmy would be the one to know just who's who in the Nie Hells. Some of her friends like A'kin work there... ;) |
| Shemmy |
Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 12:35:30
quote:
Originally posted by boddynock
In the second edition Planescape box "hellbound", they spoke about earlier habitants of Baator called Baatorians. En of an entity called Lucifer who ruled hell before Asmodeus. In Fiendish Codex II they didn't mentioned both of them.
Largely omitting mention of the Ancient Baatorians was a major oversight for FC:II, but not sure where you're coming from about Lucifer. There was never any mention in earlier editions of any being named Lucifer who preceeded Asmodeus; in fact there was never any mention of a named ruler who preceeded him. The BoVD had a passing (joking) reference to earlier rulers, but that was a wink and nod to the very early (joke) article in Dragon 'The Politics of Hell' (the one with Ronald McDonald as a duke of hell, etc). |
| boddynock |
Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 10:04:13
When they started with the "Fiendish Codex"- books I was very excited. Especially because one of my players has to go to Baator to save the life (and maybe even the soul) of his True Love. After buying the book I had a mix of feelings. I enjoyed the book and it was really good but there was information missing. In the second edition Planescape box "hellbound", they spoke about earlier habitants of Baator called Baatorians. En of an entity called Lucifer who ruled hell before Asmodeus. In Fiendish Codex II they didn't mentioned both of them. I also hoped to read more about the fallen arch-devils like Geryon, Moloch and even Amon.
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| Ardashir |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 16:27:17
Myself, I always thought that big daddy Dispater himself might make a good infernal patron for the Iron Throne. After all, he's the devil of iron and a lord of warriors. And the Iron Throne mainly deals in weapons and tries to incite warfare to ensure a market for their goods. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 11:26:27
Anyone else think that Sfena (The Iron Throne in Lords of Darkness)is an alias of Glasya's? Sfena's and Glasya's stories are awefully similar dont you think? |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 03:30:32
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I would've had my copy this week... but with the pre-Christmas mail order rush, it likely won't arrive until next week. 
Got my copy from Amazon today
Asmodeus final comment on page 5 made me think of George and Paul Kemp 
PS Im loving the FR compatiablity side bars and how the FR cosmology works with the FC2 (So far Ive seen stuff on Tiamat and the Styx) |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 17:42:54
I'd be thrilled to see a book covering the yugoloths, and I'm sure that Shemmy will be happy to lend her expertise. ;)
A book covering the guardinals would also be a delight. Updated info on the lupinals alone would thrill my little heart no end. |
| Foxhelm |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 21:29:17
Well, one way to make God street work in the Realms is to limit the DR to one or two and lower.
Anyone notice that Nergal from Elminster in Hell is in the book as a Exiled Devil stuck on the first level?
I like it, not likely to get it soon, but I like it.
I would also like to see ones for Yugoloths to finish out the fiends, plus three books for the Celestials: Archons, Guardinals, and Eladrins.
Just some thoughts. |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 18:13:04
quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir
Did anyone else like the new origin given for the devils? I think it fits in well with the LG gods of the Realms, especially considering that Tyr (their leader) has a paladin order devoted to killing devils. Is he defeating enemies of good, or avenging his own error?
Aye, I like the "creation" of the devils, makes for some very interesting concepts, plus it explains why Kelemvor for example deals with devils trading away souls... it just makes sense! |
| Kuje |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:41:37
I had my copy last Friday, just forgot to mention it. However, I haven't really read through it to much because I got 3 to 4 other books on the Hells, and they have most or the same info.
However, for those that use the new cosmology, the few side boxes on how to fit some of the info into the Tree are going to be useful for you. |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:11:05
Did anyone else like the new origin given for the devils? I think it fits in well with the LG gods of the Realms, especially considering that Tyr (their leader) has a paladin order devoted to killing devils. Is he defeating enemies of good, or avenging his own error? |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 13:39:37
Got my copy just now...flipped through it and found some nice stuff in there already. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 12:41:19
I would've had my copy this week... but with the pre-Christmas mail order rush, it likely won't arrive until next week.
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 09:04:49
Do any candlekeep scribes have FC2 yet?
If so care to give us a review? |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 16:01:14
I really like this picture:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/FC2_Gallery/101509.jpg
So even in Baator, sometimes you have to take the dog for a walk. Bet that hound needs one heck of a pooper-scooper though. ;)
More seriously, I like the book from what I've seen. And they put some effort into differentiating devils and demons, which is good. I get the idea that Baator is mired in bureacracy up to its pitchfork. |
| Shemmy |
Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 03:33:29
quote:
Originally posted by Paj
Hmm, you say it mentions any divine realms that can be found on a layer. Would this be Greyhawk realms only? Or will they finally take the opportunity to update the locations of some of the missing realms of FR deities whose realms were in the Nine Hells during 2e?
It's not just Greyhawk/Core deities, they took the FC:I/multiverse route. It includes all of the relevant deities that were present in Baator previously, not excluding any like the 3e MotP for reasons of "core" versus "non-core". The authors of FC:II have included Set's domain in Stygia for instance, Sekolah's domain, Hecate's domain, etc.
But other than Set who was multispheric beyond Toril, and Tiamat, I'm not aware of any other deity with a formal deific presence on Toril who had a domain in Baator (at least going by memory and a quick look at On Hallowed Ground).
The only omission was the lack of Takhisis's domain on Avernus. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 05:19:31
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Per an email I got from my FLGS, the book will be out tomorrow.
Amazon is processing my order as I type this  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 03:43:28
Per an email I got from my FLGS, the book will be out tomorrow. |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 03:26:19
quote:
Originally posted by Sanishiver
Dargoth it's like I don't even have to check the WotC site anymore I just look for links whenever you post. Thanks for making it easy. :)
J. Grenemyer
SHHHHHHHHH! don't tell the others!!! that's what I've been doing for a year!  |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 03:25:35
quote:
Originally posted by dwarvenranger
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
FC2 art gallery is up
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20061208a&page=1
This one in particular should bring a smile to the old timers
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/FC2_Gallery/101471.jpg
Thanks Dargoth, it certainly did
Whoa! 
Just got a black and white flashback from either the 1st edition AD&D MM or DMG... are you tripping on the same drugs?  |
| Sanishiver |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 01:41:55
Dargoth it's like I don't even have to check the WotC site anymore I just look for links whenever you post. Thanks for making it easy. :)
J. Grenemyer
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| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 22:18:58
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
I reckon she did a deal with the Arch Devils to become an Arch fiend personally I think she turned some of her dragons into Hellfire Wyrms and gave them to the Nine and thats how she got her tempory realm in Avernus
She might also have created the Abishai. That would be a nifty gift to the Nine. |
| dwarvenranger |
Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 15:42:10
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
FC2 art gallery is up
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20061208a&page=1
This one in particular should bring a smile to the old timers
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/FC2_Gallery/101471.jpg
Thanks Dargoth, it certainly did |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 10:38:23
FC2 art gallery is up
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20061208a&page=1
This one in particular should bring a smile to the old timers
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/FC2_Gallery/101471.jpg |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 04:25:19
I reckon she did a deal with the Arch Devils to become an Arch fiend personally I think she turned some of her dragons into Hellfire Wyrms and gave them to the Nine and thats how she got her tempory realm in Avernus |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 04:10:18
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
The authors mentioned that they had read Eds work while researching the book so it will be interesting to see how much of Ed material they included
God Street is one thing that cant work in the Realms especially how FC2 says that LE gods just appear in the Nine Hells from nothingness
Yeah, God Street was definately one element that jumped out that would have to be excised to use the book in the Realms. Kind of an interesting concept, but doesn't work for the setting.
I hope that they did work some of Ed's exiles into the book, but I didn't see any specific mention of them, specifically when mentioning Avernus.
Speaking of Avernus, I would have loved to have seen someone run with Eric Boyd's really cool "bridge" of Tiamat's fall from power, her temporary state as an "archfiend" which allowed her to be the master of Avernus, and then her rise to power, because to me it tied all of dispartiate lore on her together nicely. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 04:02:52
The authors mentioned that they had read Eds work while researching the book so it will be interesting to see how much of Ed material they included
God Street is one thing that cant work in the Realms especially how FC2 says that LE gods just appear in the Nine Hells from nothingness |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 03:38:08
I'll likely be able to use this in the Realms, but some sections of the book won't work the same way for the Realms, others with be virtually identical, which is essentially what I did with the Abyss from the Fiendish Codex I, though it was a bit more "user friendly" for this sort of thing than this book appears to be. I'm sure I'll get some good ideas from it, but I was hoping for more of the "psuedo-2e if you want it" approach, as well as a few more nods toward some of the work that Ed did about the Nine Hells (such as the exiled arch devils . . .) |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 08 Dec 2006 : 09:15:05
Excerpts from FC2 can be found here
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20061207a |
