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| MalariaMoon |
Posted - 26 Feb 2012 : 12:53:00
Regarding the Tarrasque ...
"It also went on a rampage somewhere north or west of Shadowdale and tore a swath through a bunch of dragons, as it was controled by some mysterious masked figure until the paladin Priam Agrivar damaged the staff that the figure was controlling the Tarrasque with, at which point it wandered away to points unknown, and the masked figure disappeared.
This all happened just prior to the Time of Troubles, and was detailed in the Forgotten Realms Comic book series by DC."
quoted from KnightErrant on an old 'Keep thread.
Has any information ever been revealed about said mysterious figure, and more significantly, the staff that was damaged?
Has anyone ever asked Ed?
Thanks all! |
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| Seravin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 20:26:18
I like when Ishi or Agravar or someone asks if all gods are as terrible as Labelas and he replies darkly that "No, I am one of the good ones."
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 20:10:29
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So I should have said that the birth of Scothgar Amcathra was the only new canon from the story arc. Lhaeo's secret was already in canon, and the Vartan/Labelas thing was only a hint that could have played out in other directions, had it not been for the Time of Troubles.
 I'm not familiar with the old FR comic books; I only ever read part of one issue, and that was back when they were being published. Can you tell us more about this "Vartan/Labelas thing"... including your speculations on the "other directions"? Many thanks. 
In this story arc, Labelas basically said there was going to be a price for his aid to Vartan. Later, during the ToT, he used Vartan as an avatar, and proved to be a real jerk. He was remorseful after the fact, and went to great lengths to get back on Vartan's good side.
But... If the Time of Troubles hadn't've happened, then Labelas's price could have been spun in any direction. I've no real thoughts on it; it's just that Labelas saying there was a price was something that didn't necessarily foretell using Vartan as an avatar. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 19:24:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So I should have said that the birth of Scothgar Amcathra was the only new canon from the story arc. Lhaeo's secret was already in canon, and the Vartan/Labelas thing was only a hint that could have played out in other directions, had it not been for the Time of Troubles.
I'm not familiar with the old FR comic books; I only ever read part of one issue, and that was back when they were being published. Can you tell us more about this "Vartan/Labelas thing"... including your speculations on the "other directions"? Many thanks. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 04:52:31
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think the mysterious baddie and his staff were simple one-off creations for the purposes of that story arc. The only thing I can recall from that particular story arc that made it into canon was the birth of Scothgar Amcathra.
Second, as already mentioned, is that Vartan Hai Sylvar was marked by Labelas Enoreth for the undisclosed future service which he provides in later comics, that in turn remains in mentions of ToT. "Weird relations between old Labelas and his new proxy" even were mentioned in some Planescape source, IIRC.
A little revelation about Haedrak. Third? I don't know whether this was mentioned earlier or not.
Well, the weird relations were expanded on later in the series. In this story arc, it was more of a "I'm doing you a favor. You OWE me," and not much more. And we'd had other sources mention that Lhaeo was an exiled Tethyrian prince, before that.
So I should have said that the birth of Scothgar Amcathra was the only new canon from the story arc. Lhaeo's secret was already in canon, and the Vartan/Labelas thing was only a hint that could have played out in other directions, had it not been for the Time of Troubles. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 04:25:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think the mysterious baddie and his staff were simple one-off creations for the purposes of that story arc. The only thing I can recall from that particular story arc that made it into canon was the birth of Scothgar Amcathra.
Second, as already mentioned, is that Vartan Hai Sylvar was marked by Labelas Enoreth for the undisclosed future service which he provides in later comics, that in turn remains in mentions of ToT. "Weird relations between old Labelas and his new proxy" even were mentioned in some Planescape source, IIRC.
A little revelation about Haedrak. Third? I don't know whether this was mentioned earlier or not. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 01:23:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps it was Sammaster before he was consumed by the mad desire to turn dragons into dracoliches. Or one of Larloch's lich-servitors, tasked to get some 'watch dogs' for Warlock's Keep.
I just had a thought, though... Velsharoon hadn't yet become a deity, at that point. Maybe it was him, planning on taking the tarrasque back to Thay for a bit of show-and-tell? Or maybe he was moving against some plan of Zassy's that's not yet been revealed...
Shouldn't the primordials have reacted violently? "Though shall not touch my pet!" |
| Seravin |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 16:16:17
That storyline irked me...I thought the dragon council was way too cartoony...seemed like something from the 80s Dungeons and Dragons cartoon rather than Realmslore. All those dragons getting together and argueing like 12 year old girls? I love Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak (my favourite Realms authors along with Elaine/Bob/Ed), but they write dragons (like Mist in Azure Bonds) as not quite the way I feel Realms Dragon's should be written. Just imho.
Anyway, the series was great except for this one storyline with the doom of a Flight of Dragons and a Tarrasque imminent while Elminster sat around playing cards arguing with the Halruaan shipcaptain...it just seemed not well done to me. I like the rest of the comic series tho very much! Labelas is awesome. |
| MalariaMoon |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 15:41:01
Thanks for your posts guys, most insightful. I'll take on board your thoughts here Wooly and not bother his Ed-ness with a question he probably can't answer. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 05:00:36
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps it was Sammaster before he was consumed by the mad desire to turn dragons into dracoliches. Or one of Larloch's lich-servitors, tasked to get some 'watch dogs' for Warlock's Keep.
Sammy was doing that long before the ToT, and that's about when that particular story-arc happened (a little before then, actually).
I just had a thought, though... Velsharoon hadn't yet become a deity, at that point. Maybe it was him, planning on taking the tarrasque back to Thay for a bit of show-and-tell? Or maybe he was moving against some plan of Zassy's that's not yet been revealed... |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 04:17:54
The mysterious masked figure might easily be somebody's avatar. Somebody evil, I imagine, since he was attacked by some meddling little paladin. Talos/Malar/Bane have used the Tarrasque before, although I think their control was limited to kicking the beast until it was awake and angry, then directing it with a trail of blood. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 01:33:03
Perhaps it was Sammaster before he was consumed by the mad desire to turn dragons into dracoliches. Or one of Larloch's lich-servitors, tasked to get some 'watch dogs' for Warlock's Keep. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 00:29:49
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-I saw at a comic store a few weeks ago, and was looking for Deadpool and/or Dr. Strange. In the 'D' section, I noticed that there were D&D comic compilation collections, and that the old Forgotten Realms comics were collected and in-print in this form, for anyone who is interested in picking them up. I know in the past, they were kind of hard to find and eBay was really the only place you could find them.
Yes, IDW, the comic publisher, has been collecting both the old FR and D&D comics and releasing them in compilation trade-paperbacks. There are now two volumes for each series available, with a third compilation of FR comics being released in May this year. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Feb 2012 : 18:35:50
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-I saw at a comic store a few weeks ago, and was looking for Deadpool and/or Dr. Strange. In the 'D' section, I noticed that there were D&D comic compilation collections, and that the old Forgotten Realms comics were collected and in-print in this form, for anyone who is interested in picking them up. I know in the past, they were kind of hard to find and eBay was really the only place you could find them.
They've been doing the same for the old AD&D comic. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 26 Feb 2012 : 17:52:40
-I saw at a comic store a few weeks ago, and was looking for Deadpool and/or Dr. Strange. In the 'D' section, I noticed that there were D&D comic compilation collections, and that the old Forgotten Realms comics were collected and in-print in this form, for anyone who is interested in picking them up. I know in the past, they were kind of hard to find and eBay was really the only place you could find them.
-Anyway, I have to say, I dislike the idea of someone being able to control the Tarrasque. I always liked thinking of it as something akin to the WEAPONs in Final Fantasy VII. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Feb 2012 : 17:32:15
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Are the information presented in the Forgotten Realm comics considered Canon? I have never read any or even had the slightest interest in them, but was just curious.
*Release the Tarrasque!
The comics are canon. Most of the characters in the comics have received official write-ups or mentions in other source material, and some of the action during the ToT was listed on the page WotC used to have up that gave a brief rundown of deific activities during that time frame.
The crew of the Realms Master is mentioned in passing in the 3E Shining South, as I recall.
Steven Schend used the characters from the AD&D comic, putting them down in Tethyr for the Reclamation, in Lands of Intrigue. And Kyriani, from the same comic, has had many mentions in Realmslore -- including being named as a Lord of Waterdeep in City of Splendors: Waterdeep and also in the Lords of Waterdeep boardgame. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 26 Feb 2012 : 16:52:20
Are the information presented in the Forgotten Realm comics considered Canon? I have never read any or even had the slightest interest in them, but was just curious.
*Release the Tarrasque! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Feb 2012 : 15:45:25
So far as I know, nope, nope, and nope.
I'm not sure how much Ed had to do with the comics... He might not have any more info to offer.
I think the mysterious baddie and his staff were simple one-off creations for the purposes of that story arc. The only thing I can recall from that particular story arc that made it into canon was the birth of Scothgar Amcathra. |
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