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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 00:46:53
Okay, I don't know if this question has been asked before... Is there anywhere a list of which families survived the Fall of Myth Drannor? |
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| The Sage |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 17:50:45
Indeed. Ed's mention of Windsong in Ruins was in '93. Steven expanded on the details in Cormanthyr during '98.
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| Kuje |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 17:04:43
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
there hasnt been any mention of say hmmm one windsongtower inhabitants surviving the fall? i asked a while ago with little success if there was any info on this but i guess not. which students survived if any?
I'd suggest you ask Steven Schend. He, after all, created the place.
-- George Krashos
Um George.... I have to disagree. Ed first mentioned it in the Ruins of Myth Drannor box set on the card sheets. :) Now, maybe Steven flushed it out, but that box set came out long before Cormanthyr. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 08:27:18
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Originally posted by Beirnadri Magranth
there hasnt been any mention of say hmmm one windsongtower inhabitants surviving the fall? i asked a while ago with little success if there was any info on this but i guess not. which students survived if any?
I'd suggest you ask Steven Schend. He, after all, created the place.
-- George Krashos
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| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 04:50:34
there hasnt been any mention of say hmmm one windsongtower inhabitants surviving the fall? i asked a while ago with little success if there was any info on this but i guess not. which students survived if any? |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 24 Apr 2004 : 06:49:50
I suppose we will never know for sure, but I like to think that there may have been the possibility that Fenny may have made his way to a healer in some way perhaps. Afterall, an operation conducted on this scale must have well-defined parameters for escape and/or extraction.
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| DDH_101 |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 15:34:36
Well yes, but if Kimel (sp?) wasn't there, Fenny would still probably die from his wounds. The arrow was just under the heart and it was probably a really good shot under that kind of situation. |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 22 Apr 2004 : 07:09:20
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Kazandra, you have to remember who Bran Skorlsun is. He's a master Harper and a very powerful ranger. I wouldn't be surprised that his archery skills are so good. There was a battle in Elfshadow where Skorlsun shows up and kills a barbarian with a quarterstaff in like two hits.
I do remember, but as Wooly said (and, what I had originally meant by my above statement), was that the initial shot wasn't what killed the assassin. Regardless of Skorlsun's marksmanship, it took more than just his skill with a bow to down poor old 'Fenny' . . .  .
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 19:18:18
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Kazandra, you have to remember who Bran Skorlsun is. He's a master Harper and a very powerful ranger. I wouldn't be surprised that his archery skills are so good. There was a battle in Elfshadow where Skorlsun shows up and kills a barbarian with a quarterstaff in like two hits.
Yeah, but the initial shot wasn't what killed Fenny. What killed him is when his buddy was trying to remove the arrow, found out that Mr. Unsocialable had been seen, and so decided to destroy the evidence -- by stabbing Fenny in the heart with the arrow, then repositioning it. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 18:41:28
Kazandra, you have to remember who Bran Skorlsun is. He's a master Harper and a very powerful ranger. I wouldn't be surprised that his archery skills are so good. There was a battle in Elfshadow where Skorlsun shows up and kills a barbarian with a quarterstaff in like two hits. |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 10:31:56
Oh . . . why did you stop there Wooly?. It's not like things were about to get any better for poor old "Fenny" anyway . . .  . Who ever thought a pesky arrow shaft could be so deadly  .
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 08:54:46
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It just wasn't enough to deal with a well-aimed dagger thrown by a skilled assassin.
Was Zaor killed by a knife? I swear, I thought Fenian Ni'Tessine shot him with an arrow, or maybe it Amnestria's lover, Bran Skorlsun, who had the bow...   Ah, I jsut can't remember, which is odd for me.
Elfshadow spoiler!(sorta -- this covers like the first 10 pages)
Fenian slipped thru the elfgate, not knowing where it lead. He found himself in Evermeet, and followed after Amnestria and Bran Skorlsun. The trail lead to a garden. Near the center of the garden, Fenian saw an elderly gardener trimming bushes. The garden began to greet him, but Fenny was feeling anti-social, so he tossed a dagger into his chest. When the gardener hit the ground, his cap came off, and Fenny saw the hair color and realized he'd just killed King Zaor Moonflower.
This cheered up the unfriendly elf a whole bunch, but then he heard a scream, looked up, saw Amnestria and Bran standing there. Bran popped an arrow into him, and Fenny ran like Hades out of there. |
| Shadowlord |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 08:40:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It just wasn't enough to deal with a well-aimed dagger thrown by a skilled assassin.
Was Zaor killed by a knife? I swear, I thought Fenian Ni'Tessine shot him with an arrow, or maybe it Amnestria's lover, Bran Skorlsun, who had the bow... Ah, I jsut can't remember, which is odd for me. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 06:09:41
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Why not? He is the ruler of the last elven stronghold. I don't expect Zoar to be wearing full-plate armour and armed to the teeth, but I expect him to have like a dagger on him and some magical protection.
Who says he didn't? Just because he was dressed as a gardener and took a dagger to the chest doesn't mean he didn't have on magical protection. It just wasn't enough to deal with a well-aimed dagger thrown by a skilled assassin.
And it wouldn't have mattered if he was armed or not -- he was in the center of his kingdom, and had no reason to fear this strange elf that wandered into the garden. Zaor was trying to say "Hi!" to Fenian Ni'Tessine -- he didn't know Fenny wasn't feeling particularly social right then.
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Originally posted by Arivia
Didn't Zaor die pre-Retreat? Also, remember how old he was. Old minds make mistakes...
According to Elfshadow, he died on 2 Ches, 1321 (The Year of Chains). The Retreat began in 1344, The Year of Moonfall. |
| Arivia |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 04:59:30
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Why not? He is the ruler of the last elven stronghold. I don't expect Zoar to be wearing full-plate armour and armed to the teeth, but I expect him to have like a dagger on him and some magical protection.
Didn't Zaor die pre-Retreat? Also, remember how old he was. Old minds make mistakes... |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 21 Apr 2004 : 02:48:05
Why not? He is the ruler of the last elven stronghold. I don't expect Zoar to be wearing full-plate armour and armed to the teeth, but I expect him to have like a dagger on him and some magical protection. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 22:18:22
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Well, if he didn't have bodyguards, at least wear some protection, for god's sake! If I was a ruler of a country or a kingdom on Faerun, I would amass myself the most powerful magic and weapons I could afford.
And you'd wear them as you relaxed in your backyard, knowing that the nearest enemy was hundreds of miles away? |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 20:23:32
Well, if he didn't have bodyguards, at least wear some protection, for god's sake! If I was a ruler of a country or a kingdom on Faerun, I would amass myself the most powerful magic and weapons I could afford. |
| Shadowlord |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 07:53:56
Of course you're Not People! No other race compares to the fey folk, or even the drow! |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:35:05
Let's also not forget the studly N'Tel'Quess who was deadly with a bow and nearby. Not People my... |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 20 Apr 2004 : 06:23:28
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... I have a question about Zoar's death. Since he was the King and ruler of Evermeet, why the hell didn't he have ANY magical protection on him. Didn't he even have a ring of protection? Also, where the hell are the bodyguards for such an important ruler?!
Probably because he figured he was safe on Evermeet. Who really expected an elf to try to assassinate the king...... But that's my guess and if I recall right there was guards but they were guarding the entrances.....
It's certainly very much the possibility. In the relative safety of the gardens would probably be the last place the King, and his royal guard would expect an attack. Although, there have been similar examples of such assassinations in other novels . . .
And, besides the King's Guard, we must also remember the presence of the uniquely designed gardens of bellflowers, which are specially cultivated to act as a natural alarm system.
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| Kuje |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 22:21:43
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmm... I have a question about Zoar's death. Since he was the King and ruler of Evermeet, why the hell didn't he have ANY magical protection on him. Didn't he even have a ring of protection? Also, where the hell are the bodyguards for such an important ruler?!
Probably because he figured he was safe on Evermeet. Who really expected an elf to try to assassinate the king...... But that's my guess and if I recall right there was guards but they were guarding the entrances..... |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 22:01:04
Hmm... I have a question about Zoar's death. Since he was the King and ruler of Evermeet, why the hell didn't he have ANY magical protection on him. Didn't he even have a ring of protection? Also, where the hell are the bodyguards for such an important ruler?! |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 21:59:10
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Originally posted by kuje31
Yup, but he was gardening, which was why Sirius said what he said. :)
Classic case in Zaor's death of why you should subcontract out any farm/gardening job to day laborers. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 08:50:33
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course. 
Zaor was killed in the novel Elfshadow was he not, in his hedge-maze garden?.
Yup, but he was gardening, which was why Sirius said what he said. :) |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 08:41:39
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course.
Zaor was killed in the novel Elfshadow was he not, in his hedge-maze garden?.
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| Kuje |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 06:04:18
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course.
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| Shadowlord |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:36:59
And also died as a gardener... of course. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:28:48
And of course, when it comes to individual survivors of certain families...Zaor Moonflower immediately comes to mind as a pretty important one considering all that he went on to contribute to Evermeet society...as a gardener of course. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 05:08:30
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
Besides House Starym and the Nierdre clan, are there any other families?. Perhaps, some of the Realms-scribes have some thoughts on this.
Well giving it a quick look through Elves of Evermeet and Cormanthyr it looks like these are the houses that survived and went to Evermeet. Silverspear, Durothil, Symbaern, Nierdre, Nightstar, Hawksong, Raedrimm (I'm not sure if this is the same house as house Raerdrimme that is listed in Elves of Evermeet). |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 19 Apr 2004 : 04:53:07
Shadowlord, there was another Starym who escaped. His name was Ilbryn Starym, who appeared in The Temptations of Elminster. He wanted revenge on Elminster but he dies at the end of the book when there was a magical explosion.
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