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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 07 Jun 2025 : 17:24:38
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
I don't think the hordelands was really present in the ancient past.
I think most of it was underwater during creator race time when the world was warmer. It would explain why there are no creator race ruins and even no ancient dwarf ruins from when they arrived in the yehimals.
I could be wrong but I think the endless wastes came about around -20000 to -10000 dr.
Or whatever ruins there were there are "not documented" or "destroyed by a cataclysm" and may be in areas noone wants to go to because of the endless wastelands. With the vast amount of sand in some areas, some could literally be buried. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Gary Dallison
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Werthead
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2025 : 22:16:04
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Grand History of the Realms has a map of Toril in 31,500 BDR and it confirms that Taan/the Endless Waste is in existence at that time, when Faerun, Kara-Tur, Zakhara, Maztica and Katashaka are all unified into the supercontinent Merrouroboros. The Endless Ice Sea, Taan and Yehimal are more or less as they are later on (excepting that this map uses 3E as its base, so everything is a bit more squashed than it was in later times).
One of the oddities of this map is that it shows a vast amount of land immediately to the east of Zakhara, greatly extending the continent. I assumed this is massive, low-lying marshy land (similar to the Doggerland of the North Sea, that used to link Britain to Europe) that very quickly fell under the sea in the First Sundering.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 08 Jun 2025 : 03:37:04
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Originally posted by Werthead
Grand History of the Realms has a map of Toril in 31,500 BDR and it confirms that Taan/the Endless Waste is in existence at that time, when Faerun, Kara-Tur, Zakhara, Maztica and Katashaka are all unified into the supercontinent Merrouroboros. The Endless Ice Sea, Taan and Yehimal are more or less as they are later on (excepting that this map uses 3E as its base, so everything is a bit more squashed than it was in later times).
One of the oddities of this map is that it shows a vast amount of land immediately to the east of Zakhara, greatly extending the continent. I assumed this is massive, low-lying marshy land (similar to the Doggerland of the North Sea, that used to link Britain to Europe) that very quickly fell under the sea in the First Sundering.
That map is so subjective based on everyone that looks at it unfortunately. For instance, I look at it and see a huge area under water that I would call the endless wastes, the plain of horses, and the quoya desert. Then when I wonder what happened, part of me goes "tearfall happened, and maybe all that water drained further into the interior and uncovered the endless wastes via the rivers shown.
It also looks to me like we see right up to the very edge of Zakhara's coastline on the east (mind you it doesn't LOOK like a coastline, but the line seems to be right around where if you scrolled just a little east you'd maybe start to see the Segara Sea), but in the south it shows some land that is now covered in water with islands. Of course, all of Zakhara also looks like a non-desert too. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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