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Gulli05
Acolyte
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 Posted - 01 Jan 2015 : 01:26:26
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I have been reading Unapproachable East sourcebook for 3,5 Edition Forgotten Realms, seeing if it's a place I'd like perhaps use for my next campaign. I like what I've read so far, however the empires of Nar and Raumathar intrigue me, yet there is such limited amount of information on them in that book. I figured I'd look into Lost Empires of Faerun, however I feel like the book is fairly limited in information being split between 5 different empires in 1 chapter where it talks about Nar and Raumathar. So I wonder, was there anywhere further detail made on the empires of Nar and Raumathar, their cultures, religions (demon worship in case of Nar and so on), histories, rulers, society and so on. Whether it is in older editions or dragon magazines I'd really like to know if there is more to read on these two lost empires. Can anyone direct me to any certain reading material on Nar and Raumathar?
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Edited by - Gulli05 on 01 Jan 2015 02:07:54
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 01 Jan 2015 : 03:35:06
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| check the Grand History of the Realms, the Horde boxed set from 2nd edition, the 2nd edition Old Empires boxed set, there's a little in Powers and Pantheons around Kossuth. That's the major ones that come to mind. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 01 Jan 2015 : 04:40:15
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It's not canon, obviously, but I used the ancient war betwixt Nar and Raumathar as a way to introduce Realmsified warforged. 
See the Wooly's Warforged thread if you are interested. |
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Gulli05
Acolyte
Iceland
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Posted - 01 Jan 2015 : 11:05:32
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Sleyvas, thank you I will look up what I can find in those sourcebooks.
Wooly Rupert, I like the idea of adding more constructs and such especially to the Raumathari side of things. I think I might keep that link to your thread "Wooly's Warforged" close in case I need them for my campaign.
Thanks for your help, perhaps an additional question. I'm curious as to what sort of demons and demon lord I could have relate to Nar. Do you guys know about any more obscure ones in FR lore that might be fun to utilize surrounding the Narfell and Raumathar conflict? (I'd be running a campaign in 1350-1372 sort of timeline most likely, but there'd be cults, ancient lore, ruins and bound demons still using the remnants of the Nar and Raumathar empires for their own purpose). |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 03 Jan 2015 : 00:41:08
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Originally posted by Gulli05
Sleyvas, thank you I will look up what I can find in those sourcebooks.
Wooly Rupert, I like the idea of adding more constructs and such especially to the Raumathari side of things. I think I might keep that link to your thread "Wooly's Warforged" close in case I need them for my campaign.
Thanks for your help, perhaps an additional question. I'm curious as to what sort of demons and demon lord I could have relate to Nar. Do you guys know about any more obscure ones in FR lore that might be fun to utilize surrounding the Narfell and Raumathar conflict? (I'd be running a campaign in 1350-1372 sort of timeline most likely, but there'd be cults, ancient lore, ruins and bound demons still using the remnants of the Nar and Raumathar empires for their own purpose).
Grand History of the Realms has a complete timeline of the Nentyarchs of Narfell, many of which are bred from human/demon lord interaction.
Oh, and on the Raumathari, I've always been favored of the Raumathari Battlemages not being specific to that prestige class. So, eldritch knights, spellswords, warmages, rage mages, etc... all fit well in the environment. They probably developed so many constructs because their warrior-mages already had craft wondrous and craft arms and armor, and I see their constructs as being less of a fighting defender for them, and more of a magical aid (i.e. so they'd be less likely to have say a simple stone golem and more likely to have a runic guardian) |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 03 Jan 2015 : 13:20:56
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Arlgolcheir.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Gulli05
Acolyte
Iceland
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Posted - 03 Jan 2015 : 13:35:59
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dazzlerdal,
Thank you for this summary on demons, it resulted in me getting some ideas of what I could set as an underlying thematic and plot in my campaign. Fraz'Urb-luu, Orcus and Eltab are entities I've never made use of before, nor have I used the Nar or Raumathar empires. This could actually be very interesting and provide my players with something they don't expect from me. Thank you very much for the post, it helped a lot just in terms of getting my imagination started on where I could take this.
sleyvas,
I came across the Monarchs list for Narfell and Raumathar as well as some of the lore by pure accident when I was going through my books and remember Grand History of the Realms. Very useful book.
I do like your idea of the Raumathari utilizing more than just Raumathari Battlemages classes as it does put a lot of variety in there.
George,
I'll try to read into that one. It's from Dragon #116 isn't it?
Thanks to all of you who contributed to this thread. If anyone else has any more input, I'd love to hear it. I'm going to sit down now and start to try to build a general outline on how I can do a campaign set in around 1350-1372 and still utilize Nar and Raumathar in the background, slowly unveiling more of it to my player the further we go. (If they don't de-rail it completely before I can do that.) |
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Dewaint
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 02 Sep 2025 : 09:04:12
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Hi all and apologies to cast a Resurrection to this 10 years old thread...
Currently am setting up a campaign in Rashemen, of course old Narfel and Rashemar empire left a lot of hidden or semi-hidden legacies back to stumble upon.
Was able to find some references about old Narfell's coat of arms in the novel "The Shield of Weeping Ghosts" written by James P. Davis.
Now am trying to figure out if and what sort of coat of arms, symbols, or crest the Rashemar empire used to mark their borders, identify their forces, might have used as official seal on writings, etc.
Is there any known reference to such Crest or Coat of Arms ?
Thanks :)
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 03 Sep 2025 : 14:07:27
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So I read that novel, but I don't recall the coat of arms. Please document the text here so that searches will find it later.
So on your other question ... there was no "Rashemar Empire" .... there was a Raumathar Empire which was ruled from "Winterkeep" and there were the "Lakelands of Shemen" (reference from GHotR for -160 DR the Great Conflagration). However, the "Lakelands of Shemen" at some point came to be called Rashemen. Now, what I'm about to say is MY TAKE on things, as to when the "Lakelands of Shemen" became "Rashemen", and its EASILY refuted with references from GHotR or other sources, but I think it makes the most sense. It could be could be that when it became ruled by Raumathari leaders, it may have been known Raushemen. It would seem that after Eltab was ejected from the Lakelands of Shemen by Yvengi, who had both Rus and "Shemen" blood, with the aid of the wychlaran, that this new country would be great if this is when it became named Rashemen (Rus-Shemen perveted to Rashemen from Raushemen). While this may seem stupid to some, I like the idea of basically new cultures changing the name of their home subtly with time.... "Lakelands of Shemen .... to Raushemen ... to Rashemen. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Dewaint
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 06 Sep 2025 : 22:53:48
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Hi sleyvas,
Yeah... Raumathar Empire of course. Apologies for my synaptic failure. Was mixing up the past and my campaign course 
Old Nar's coat of arms was mentioned a few times by the novel. For example at page 7: The coat of arms on his cloak bore the crimson field and the barren tree of Narfell, the conquering empire
Now am looking for the coat of arms used by the Raumathar Empire, any help welcome |
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George Krashos
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Sep 2025 : 10:10:18
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Originally posted by Gary Dallison
I think the general trend is that regions with a Ra prefix are due to Ra meaning "Land of" in Imaskari derived languages.
The extra "U" in some names could be a tense or case amendment similar to what we see in latin language.
I could be wrong though, but it would explain Raurin, Ra-Khati, Raumathar, Rashemen, etc
The first ruler of Raumathar was funnily enough Umathar. Just saying.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2025 : 13:27:58
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Not trying to sell my stuff, but I came up with three banners used by Rashemen here: https://www.dmsguild.com/product/464201/The-Beckoning-Road-Varlos-Guide-to-the-Cities-of-the-Unapproachable-East
There is also a rendering of the Narfell symbol.
-- George Krashos
Didn't realize you had put this out George. May end up getting it. What ERA is this written for? Pre-spellplague? Post-Spellplague? Post-Second Sundering? If later, do you cover the intervening years? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12179 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2025 : 13:38:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison
I think the general trend is that regions with a Ra prefix are due to Ra meaning "Land of" in Imaskari derived languages.
The extra "U" in some names could be a tense or case amendment similar to what we see in latin language.
I could be wrong though, but it would explain Raurin, Ra-Khati, Raumathar, Rashemen, etc
I could buy this more if the lands involved elsewhere had similar naming (i.e. Semphar, Murghom, etc...). It would be easier to say "not Imaskar... but Raumathar" and then have Ra-Khati having been under Raumathar rule at some point. Also, the horde boxed set has a map showing the territory held by both Imaskar and Raumathar and they don't touch. So, I don't equate Ra-Khati's naming to have any reflection on Raumathar/Rashemen.
Raumathar basically looks to have only extended down to the Lake of Mists / Firepeaks (which story here.... "Land of the Fire God"?... Given Raumathar's seeming devotion to elemenalism to a degree worth developing) and then eastwards to be a part of northernmost Rashemen only and the easternmost edges of Sossal.
I will also note this entry in GHotR ... and "wind elemental-borne warriors" aided by Arkhan TALLOS. This just screams some link to the gods of EITHER Talos OR Teylas (who is said to be another name for Akadi) OR Telos (the primordial master of the Iron Sky in Vaasa that the Warlock Knights revere). There really needs to be some exploration here, and I pretty much would like to see Teylas and Telos become conflated and there become some story involving the former god of Netheril, Kozah, and the Calishite god, Bhaelros, that leads to them becoming Talos.
–300 DR Year of Cold Anger
The Sossrim humans of the Armridge Mountains defeat an invasion of frost giants led by the chieftain Orbrud of the Pines with the aid of wind elemental-borne warriors sent by Arkhan Tallos of Raumathar. The Sossrim [–1648, 331] pledge their fealty to the realm of Raumathar. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
Edited by - sleyvas on 10 Sep 2025 13:59:19 |
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