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Afetbinttuzani
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 Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 20:20:41
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Someone has told me that at some point there was published a massive 2E Wall map. It was apparently similar in style the maps in the Forgotten Realms Atlas done by Karen Wynn Fonstad. Does anyone know of this map? The more specific the information the better. If it does exist, I'd like to seek out a copy.
Cheers,
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sfdragon
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Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 21:00:06
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| well if there was, it s the first time that I have heard of it, so someone might of been pulling your leg. |
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Patrakis
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Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 21:12:32
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Yes there was. They were called trail maps and 2 were published. One for Faerun and one for Kara Tur.
Combined together, they must mesure 6 feet by 8 feet.
They are beauties.
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 22:53:28
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Originally posted by Patrakis
Yes there was. They were called trail maps and 2 were published. One for Faerun and one for Kara Tur.
Combined together, they must mesure 6 feet by 8 feet.
They are beauties.
Pat
Ooo 
Can you tell me more about the products to help me locate copies: specific product names; dates; authors?
Thanks, |
Afet bint Tuzaní
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 23:13:16
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I think I've found them:
TM4 TSR-9401 "City of Waterdeep Trail Map" (TSR, 1989)
TM5 TSR-9402 "Kara-Tur Trail Map" (TSR, 1989)
Yay!!! I can't wait to get my hands on them. Thanks, Patrakis. |
Afet bint Tuzaní
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Brimstone
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Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 23:32:27
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I think they have some at www.nobleknight.com
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The Waterdeep one is $65.00.
The Kara-Tur one is $35.00.
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 00:38:15
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| You can try dragontrove.com also, as I've seen them appear on that site's online catalogue from time to time. And though they are pricey, I'd definitely recommend these pieces. Not only are they still decorating the walls of my home library after nearly twenty years, but they're still fun to stare at for long periods of time, even today. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 01:16:56
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I've seen them on eBay for much more reasonable prices, though not often. I had to get the Waterdeep Trail Map from there, myself.
Luckily, the maps survived the fire... But I would like to get extra copies of them, eventually, so I can put them on a wall. Admittedly, I've got enough extra FR maps to cover many walls (particularly with the City System maps!), but still...  |
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Wenin
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 05:03:24
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| How in the world did you get so an amazing scan of that atlas map?? It looks better than the real thing! |
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Afetbinttuzani
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 05:51:39
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I think they have some at www.nobleknight.com
EDIT
The Waterdeep one is $65.00.
The Kara-Tur one is $35.00.
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Afet bint Tuzaní
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 05:58:36
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Originally posted by bladeinAmn
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If you could print this baby out...
Woah!!
This is beautiful and contains a lot of detail. Is this more detailed than the Trail Maps?
This looks like what my friend was talking about. I say this because this looks like a composite (you can see the join lines in places) of the maps that appear on several pages in the Forgotten Realms Atlas. In the Atlas, each section of the map has the number/letter grid, whereas this one has eliminated the smaller grids and placed them along the outside edges.
I think you'd have to go to a specialty printer to have this one printed, though. I wonder if someone did up this composite for themselves or if this was published at some point by TSR?
Cheers,
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Afet bint Tuzaní
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Hellkeepa
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 06:42:34
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HELLo!
Unfortunately that map doesn't lend itself to printing, at all. Not really for reading on a monitor either, due to the (unfortunate) low DPI it has been scanned with. Most of the writing is just unrecognisable squiggles, and it will be even worse when printed.
The best map I've found of Toril, though it's from 3rd ed, is the one I've linked to below. Works wery well on A3, even if some of the smaller writing becomes too small to read. Not sure about A2, but should be survivable with a very good printer and paper. Something in between should be the optimal size, methinks.
However, nothing beats the original prints when it comes to quality. So unless you're really strapped for cash, or they're otherwise unavailable for you, I recommend buying them instead.
Link: (Link removed by moderator; see below)
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 07:10:25
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Folks, I just went thru and removed some links. It wasn't something I wanted to do, but it was something I was obligated to do. bladeinAmn's link appeared to be a scan someone posted on the internet; I'm seriously doubting they had legal authorization to be sharing that. Hellkeepa's link also led to a website that hosted a lot of stuff I'm doubting WotC would be happy about -- they tend to prefer that no one hosts their files other than themselves. To keep our own butts covered, I had to remove those links.
In the future, I should like to ask that folks posting links to stuff like that make sure that the host has the legal right to share the material. Doing that keeps this site safe.
Now, all that aside... I do know of a large map of the Realms that can be legally shared, as WotC is the one doing so. I'm afraid it's 3E and not 2E, as was originally requested, but it's still a nice-sized map. Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting Map Gallery |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 07:37:23
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And, as an additional note to Wooly's post above, if any scribes are in anyway unsure about the legality of something they'd like to share here at Candlekeep -- perhaps from another site -- feel free to contact either myself or the Furry Hamster privately, and we can discuss it.
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bladeinAmn
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 07:58:36
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Sincere apologies, Wooly and Sage.
That 3e map that Wooly linked is actually the best FR map, IMHO.
Afetbinttuzani, if you want that map that Karen Wynn Fonstad made, then purchase the 2E Forgotten Realms Atlas, TSR #8442.
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 08:33:17
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Originally posted by bladeinAmn
That 3e map that Wooly linked is actually the best FR map, IMHO.
Aye, it's the same one that comes in the back of the 3E FRCS, and I daresay that it looks very, very good on most any wall. |
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Thauramarth
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Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 09:34:52
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Ah... the Trail Maps. I know that at one point I owned both. And I had them both up against a wall (I had a pretty big wall then). And then I moved. Wall not so big. I put the maps... somewhere. I am certain I did not sell them, but for the life of me I cannot remember what I did with them. They might be in any of four locations spread across two countries. Damn silly of me  . |
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 06:25:41
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Originally posted by bladeinAmn
Sincere apologies, Wooly and Sage.
That 3e map that Wooly linked is actually the best FR map, IMHO.
Afetbinttuzani, if you want that map that Karen Wynn Fonstad made, then purchase the 2E Forgotten Realms Atlas, TSR #8442.
I have the Atlas, and it's excellent. But it does not have a wall map.
Cheers, |
Afet bint Tuzaní
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Hellkeepa
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Norway
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 07:55:39
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HELLo!
You could always scan it, merge the parts, and then print it out as a wall map.
Happy playin'! |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 07:59:26
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| you could...... it would however use to much paper |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Ozzalum
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 13:58:25
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| And taking this even a bit further afield. Is there a similar map to one Wooly posted for 4E? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 15:18:01
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
And taking this even a bit further afield. Is there a similar map to one Wooly posted for 4E?
I don't recall seeing one, but since I no longer bother with the WotC website, I'm not the best person to ask.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 15:50:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ozzalum
And taking this even a bit further afield. Is there a similar map to one Wooly posted for 4E?
I don't recall seeing one, but since I no longer bother with the WotC website, I'm not the best person to ask.
Nothing yet. And I've been keeping an eye out for any particular developments re: the 4e Realms map.
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-- In similarly-related D&D map news, I finally received my copies of the Eberron Campaign Guide and Eberron Player's Guide. I was actually quite impressed with the cartographic elements, and the complete maps for the world. Good stuff!
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Teneck
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 21:50:14
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Nothing yet. And I've been keeping an eye out for any particular developments re: the 4e Realms map.
Does the 4th Ed. book have a pull out like the 3rd edition did?
Of is it just the one inside the pages? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 22:26:21
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Originally posted by Teneck
Does the 4th Ed. book have a pull out like the 3rd edition did?
Of is it just the one inside the pages?
There's a pull-out map. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 00:43:00
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Originally posted by Teneck
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Nothing yet. And I've been keeping an eye out for any particular developments re: the 4e Realms map.
Does the 4th Ed. book have a pull out like the 3rd edition did?
Of is it just the one inside the pages?
Speculatively, I would assume all 4e Campaign Guides will have pull-out maps. We've seen them in the FR tome, and now in the Eberron Campaign Guide as well. So I suspect the Dark Sun Campaign Guide, when it's released next year, will also feature its own pull-out map of Athas.
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Silverblade The Enchanter
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Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 15:04:43
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Odd story:
here in Scotland, there's a great gameshop called "The Dragon & George" in Glasgow, odd little place RPG, wargame, plastic models
run by the most eccentric but nice fan of RPGs/games you could ever meet, real odd but fun/nice guy
it's round back of the Tron theatre in Parnie street so not far from Arglye street train station if any of you are ever there :)
And Static Games (larger, more modern) is right nearby, too.
Anyway, the Dragon & George used to have the most AMAZING collection of old game items still brand new not sold, I picked up the Kara-Tur and Waterdeep Trail maps there maybe 10? years ago.
And no, I am not parting with them! 
he also had things like the Grenadier titan scale Frost Giant, you know the one that's about 12 inches high? damn wish I had bought that, sigh
gave my own one I had painted to son of my mum's pal, and always wanted to do another.
Also had the Forgotten Realms CD Atlas, kept meaning to get it as £30 was a LOT of money back then, sigh..and then when I went to get it...gone! 
oh and the original city system for Waterdeep, damn I remember buying that and thinking, Holy ****! this is SOME set of maps!!! hehe ;)
be awesome to have them covering a wall. |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 15:08:48
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Originally posted by Silverblade The Enchanter
oh and the original city system for Waterdeep, damn I remember buying that and thinking, Holy ****! this is SOME set of maps!!! hehe ;)
be awesome to have them covering a wall.
I must admit that I prefer the shrunken version in Volos guide to Waterdeep, the one in City system takes up half the floor and is actually to big to be useful. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 01:23:32
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I would love to have enough walls to support my extra maps from City System and the 2E FRCS. I've got two or three sets of each of those, and a whole bunch more.
I do have an extra map from FR1 Waterdeep & The North on my wall, though. And one of these days I need to get that big Elmore print (the cover of FR9 The Bloodstone Lands) framed. |
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Silverblade The Enchanter
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 13:52:32
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Wooly,
this pic you mean?
http://www.larryelmore.com/images/8x10/bloodstone_lands.jpg
that's one of my faves of Elmore, along with the awoosme inside pic in 2nd ed PHB "Dragon Killers"??, and "Two For the Road" :)
I got the Dragon Killers big print from Elmore's site but it was rubbish as it was faded sepia toned, not bright and vivid colours like original boy was I annoyed. got a smaller one that's correct, and framed it :)
hey imagine framing the city system maps in laminate and wall mounting them! ;)
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Jakk
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 01:00:57
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Regarding the Trail Maps... I have the Kara-Tur Trail Map, but not the Waterdeep Trail Map; can anyone tell me if they are at the same scale, and if so, do they connect? (That is, does the Waterdeep Trail Map encompass all of Faerun?)
My current desktop wallpaper is the 3E FRCS map in hi-res from the URL linked to above by Wooly; it's very nice cartographically, but with every passing day I prefer the 1E/2E geography, mostly for the scale.
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