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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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 Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 22:49:38
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Okay, now I have a stupid question for Markustay: Are you planning on re-mapping the Realms once you're settled and have your software and mapping skillz back where you want them? If so, I'd like to suggest using the map scales from 1E/2E; it's simpler to integrate the rest of the continent, for one, and that in turn might speed up the process. Just a thought... 
And there's a reason I'm asking this in the "Stupid Questions" scroll... in your position, I'd be fully within my rights to answer "No, I've been there and done that; moving on now." |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2012 : 06:03:22
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I think I've mentioned elsewhere that there were a few projects I would really like to finish (or restart, and then finish, at this point). I would really like to re-do the Nentir Vale conversion - it was the finest thing I ever created (and unfortunately never showed to anyone).
Not that I can take as much credit for it as I would have liked - Mike Shley inspired me - I created a whole new palette and terrain set to match his Nentir map, and then extended it and did the entire NE quadrant of The North in that same exact style. It was freakin' awesome.
{sigh}
Anyhow, thanks for the answer Jakk, but I thought the Cormyr lineage was published in the DDi recently. 
Anyhow, I was cross-comparing a Cormyr timeline with an Elminster timeline, noticed a couple of things, and I was just wondering about that 'illegitimate son'.
Elminster does seem to care an awful lot about Cormyr and it's royals. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2012 : 07:50:20
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I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate? |
You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Mar 2012 : 10:40:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Pirates don't need a reason to plunder a ship, other than it being there. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Mar 2012 : 19:31:29
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Why would pirates, criminals, bandits, outlaws care whether or not what they do is "right"?
When two cars collide in traffic and both survive, it is not uncommon for both drivers to feel offended and immediately retaliate, regardless which of them might be "right". |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Mar 2012 : 20:10:54
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quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Ships usually don't accidentally collide  |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2012 : 03:07:19
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Originally posted by entreri3478
quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Ships usually don't accidentally collide
Agreed. And when they do, it's usually because the captains are idiots. |
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 Mar 2012 : 10:13:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Ships usually don't accidentally collide
Agreed. And when they do, it's usually because the captains are idiots.
Or the crew member in the crow's nest fell asleep (or fell out) and no one noticed he/she did so. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Apr 2012 : 04:37:21
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Well, that speaks of the crew's lack of discipline. Which, I suppose, hardly is the case. Most captains are extremely choosy in selecting his men. |
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2012 : 09:53:50
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| I've seen it (falling asleep at the job and noone notices) happen where I worked. One of my co-workers fell asleep at her spot on the production line, but she never missed a single thing that went by her, and we never noticed for nearly a half-hour. All while putting out about 3 cases of product a minute. FIgure that out. O.o |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2012 : 17:19:21
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Need two pieces of info:
1st off, I thought I remembered a dwarf working for Alustriel, and IIRC he later went work for Bruenor in Mithral Hall - whats his name?
2nd, in the Twilight Giants books, and specifically in The Giant Amongst Us, there was name for those ancient Stone-Giant texts (that the Verbeeg was fascinated by) - anyone have access to that book, and what they were they called? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36982 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2012 : 19:04:53
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Originally posted by Markustay
Need two pieces of info:
1st off, I thought I remembered a dwarf working for Alustriel, and IIRC he later went work for Bruenor in Mithral Hall - whats his name?
2nd, in the Twilight Giants books, and specifically in The Giant Amongst Us, there was name for those ancient Stone-Giant texts (that the Verbeeg was fascinated by) - anyone have access to that book, and what they were they called?
I think the answer to the first one is Fredegar "Fret" Rockcrusher. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2012 : 19:57:47
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Hmmmmm. 
I may have been getting him confused with Taern... I thought this particular dwarf was of the 'sagely' variety.
Damn - anyone know of a good NPC dwarven sage? I could swear Bruennor had someone in this capacity - an adviser, or even a stand-in when he went adventuring.
EDIT: thanks Wooly - that IS who I was thinking of - the name threw me. 
Was that the same guy who thought of using natural gas to blow-up Drow? |
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 08:40:48
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Originally posted by Markustay
Was that the same guy who thought of using natural gas to blow-up Drow?
"Smell that, don't ye? That be what we local folks call 'really big boom'. Throw ye torch in that there direction and run like the flames of the hells are at your heels. That'll blow them thrice-damned drow clear into the ninth hell." |
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Please forgive any spelling and grammer errors, as my android touch-screen phone has no spellchecker. If I do make a grammer mistake, please let me know and I'll try to fix it.
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 09:09:02
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Ships usually don't accidentally collide
Agreed. And when they do, it's usually because the captains are idiots.
Or there's a fog... there was a fog, or a storm right?
*slight grin*
Right? |
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 09:43:10
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
quote:
Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Ships usually don't accidentally collide
Agreed. And when they do, it's usually because the captains are idiots.
Or there's a fog... there was a fog, or a storm right?
*slight grin*
Right?
Speaking of fog...
One of my buddies had a car accident because, of all the damnable things in the world, a nice thick patch of fog was obscuring his view.
Not even two days later during our game session, our DM was like "...while you explore the pirate ship, a huge fog bank rolls in--" Before our DM could finish it, Zach (the recent car accident victim) got up out of his seat and said "Too f***ing soon, Pat. Too f***ing soon." We all started laughing so hard some of us (me included) actually fell out of the chairs we were sitting in. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 12:25:16
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Question: What is the color of magic missiles fired? In BG2 it is red, in Sellswords green and now it is popular blue. So which is it?
GI Joe????
But wait they hit....
never mind. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8041 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 13:48:42
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Mystra-blue (or Mystryl-white) is the traditional colour chosen for generic magical effects throughout most of the Realms. I've seen it described in novels as azure, sapphire, and cerulean - although such verbiage could be authors armed with synonyms from bad poetry or a thick thesaurus.
Circa late-2E, a trend emerged wherein the spells cast by priests would have cosmetic variations and colours associated with their deity ... a battlepriest of Tempus might cast spells with blood-red effects while a druid of Silvanus might cast the same spells with organic green or brown effects. Wizards would often have "signature" colours or themes in their spell effects, indicating something of their personal preference and even who or where they learned their spells from. The spells of Red Wizards invariably favour a burning red appearance; War Wizards from Cormyr are known to sometimes favour royal purples. Illusionists, transmuters, enchanters, and bards often stylize their expressions of the Art (and spellcraft) with certain recognizable personal or thematic elements. In 2E there are spells like sense shifting which allow cosmetic details in spells to be altered or disguised. 3E offers a variety of feats which accomplish much the same thing.
Magic missiles are sometimes described as invisible packets of force which can only be seen indirectly through the effects they have upon impacting their targets, or perhaps as a sort of distortion or disturbance hurtling rapidly through the air. To my mind, magic missiles could be projectile-pulses of bluish-white radiance, hurled dagger-shaped shimmering rainbow energy blasts, mottled beams or globules of sickly radioactive-green goop, or tiny translucent smoky viper skulls which scream through the air with glowing eyes and open fangs ... they might be cast by pointing one pistol finger at each target, or by cycling through all the fingers on one hand, or by mimicry of dagger-/stone-throwing motions, or even a through a clenched fist or open palm thrust forcefully forward ... they're all really just the same spell and same effect and same damage in terms of raw crunchy game mechanics, but these variations can perhaps confuse opponents and they can certainly say a lot about the personality and magic of the wizard casting them. Remember that each magic missile is, in essence, approximately the same thing (in terms of damage) as hitting the target with a disposable dagger +1.
Regardless of a spell's cosmetic variations, I usually allow characters with appropriate skills, feats, and knowledge (such as, say, the 2E spellcraft proficiency) to accurately determine which spell has been cast, should they choose to do so. I also allow some specialists (like illusionists) some special bonuses for such things. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 16:42:22
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I have a feeling that cerulean blue is a mixture of silver and a deep midnight (almost purple) blue.
Just my latest theory, is all. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 17:12:23
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a feeling that cerulean blue is a mixture of silver and a deep midnight (almost purple) blue.
Just my latest theory, is all.
I once or twice used "cerulean" in a poem to describe a girl's eyes... I'm here to tell you, it's rather difficult to try to squeeze that one into a haiku! (I eventually gave up on the haiku angle, and used the line "cerulean hues of perfection" in a full-on but still short poem. On a related note, an off-the-cuff haiku can work well, when flirting!  )
On topic, I've most often pictured magic missiles and other force effects as being blue-white, silvery, or silvery-blue in color -- but that's not connected to Mystra; it just that's how I've most often seen force effect depicted in comics and such, and it's how I'd illustrate them if I had to. That said, I love the idea of customizing the visual and audible aspects of a spell, so that a spellcaster could fling silent bluish missiles or little red screaming skulls or whatever. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 17:17:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a feeling that cerulean blue is a mixture of silver and a deep midnight (almost purple) blue.
Just my latest theory, is all.
Oh, I remember this, back in elementry school, I could see just a little back then, not color mind you. it was all black white and dray. Every teacher thought they could explain what color was. Oh the joy
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 May 2012 : 18:51:11
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I've actually employed all the examples I described above (plus many others) as magic missiles throughout years of campaigning. I can promise that players find such variations particularly worrisome, it adds something to the mystery and uniqueness of magic, it guarantees that they'll never dismiss any spell as inconsequential ("Meh, whatever, I've got enough hit points to absorb a dozen magic missiles, even if he rolls max damage.")
The players just never actually *know* whether that was a 1st level magic missile or something far more threatening like Vorgon's voraciously Vancian virulent viper venom (or whatever). Even a fireball spell which goes *fwumphf* and dishes out 10d6 just like any other - yet happens to burn with sickly blacklight-coloured flames and a heavy ground-flowing greasy purple smoke - makes the players very jumpy and seriously concerned about having been exposed to all sorts of nasty necromancy. A spell with no apparent effect beyond causing a greenish aura to momentarily flicker over the target's head might be a blade of doom* which could go off any moment, or some kind of intrusive ESP ... or nothing more threatening than a fizzled sleep spell.
The wonders of this approach are multiplied into a cornucopia beyond imagining when wild magic is involved.
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2012 : 23:18:13
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| How did Fastrin's book concerning the Unmaking go unnoticed by the gods, their Chosen or any clerics? It seems like something that the gods would want to either have destroyed or kept under lock and key in their own realm. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 00:01:12
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Originally posted by Entromancer
How did Fastrin's book concerning the Unmaking go unnoticed by the gods, their Chosen or any clerics? It seems like something that the gods would want to either have destroyed or kept under lock and key in their own realm.
I'm not familiar with this... But I can say that if I was to want to scribe something that could undo the work of the gods, or somehow put me on a level with them, then the first thing I'd do is make sure it's protected from divine attention. And hiding stuff from the gods is not unheard of, in Realmslore. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 00:02:30
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| Even completely blocking the Gods from Toril isn't unknown. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 00:10:28
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As for the Magic Missile spell...I've nearly always thought of them as either crossbow bolts of force (as shown in artwork from early Red Box days as Bargle casts Magic Missile at Ahleena), or small streaking pulses of red force.
I honestly used to prefer the small bolts of force similar to a crossbow bolt...but I'm flexible now. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 02:50:16
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a feeling that cerulean blue is a mixture of silver and a deep midnight (almost purple) blue.
Just my latest theory, is all.
Tsk Tsk. Miranda Priestley would be aghast!
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 02:56:12
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
I have a partially serious question.
Two ships collided and both survived. Is it right reason for the offended ship to retaliate with swift plunder if he is a pirate?
Ships usually don't accidentally collide
Agreed. And when they do, it's usually because the captains are idiots.
Or there's a fog... there was a fog, or a storm right?
*slight grin*
Right?
Well, there are plenty of possible reasons. A saboteur making subtle yet damaging alterations on the ship. Talos feeling bored and for the fun change the current to see ships collide. The ships passing the territory of some local water elementals, which, irritated for the disturbance, smash said ships...
The list goes on...
But, I maintain, that under 'normal' circumstances, gods and monsters excluded, idiotic captains would be on top of that list. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 03:01:37
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Originally posted by Entromancer
How did Fastrin's book concerning the Unmaking go unnoticed by the gods, their Chosen or any clerics? It seems like something that the gods would want to either have destroyed or kept under lock and key in their own realm.
The same reason Karsus' Avatar spell went unnoticed until he actually cast it.
Besides, it's possible a god or two knew about it, kept their knowledge to themselves, either because they thought it impossible to work, or that they could use it to their advantage when the time is ripe.
I would further theorize that Fastrin's madness was caused not by his spell, but by a subtle divine intervention. Likely, Shar. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 May 2012 : 03:04:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Entromancer
How did Fastrin's book concerning the Unmaking go unnoticed by the gods, their Chosen or any clerics? It seems like something that the gods would want to either have destroyed or kept under lock and key in their own realm.
I'm not familiar with this... But I can say that if I was to want to scribe something that could undo the work of the gods, or somehow put me on a level with them, then the first thing I'd do is make sure it's protected from divine attention. And hiding stuff from the gods is not unheard of, in Realmslore.
One likely explanation.
The Imaskari themselves blocked certain gods from entering their domain. And as hinted in the HL series, Fastrin was of Imaskari caliber. |
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