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Abenabin Gimblescrew
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 :  15:52:21  Show Profile Send Abenabin Gimblescrew a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Firestorm

Can we expand this topic to include "miracle"?

Basically the same spell haha.

Elminster used several wish spells to increase his intelligence haha. Which in the end, is genius(Pun intended)



If my PCs use wishes to increase a stat I usually don't make them word it or say it out load. A five point increase to a stat is hardly that big of an impact at later levels.

I do require it for something is of greater power such as having an artifact in their possession, gaining a castle, etc. Wording in those cases are important. As well as say for having the ability to use a certain spell(s) an unlimited times per day.

I once had someone word having the ability to cast fireballs without limitation. Needless to say he should have specified it a little better, because he farted and shot a fire ball at the camp. One time he went to the outhouse at a tavern and ended up blowing up the crapper - literally.

He eventually had the wish spell undone, but unfortunately for him he was known for his legendary bowel movements throughout all of Faerun. The party bard made a killing off of royalties for his book if I recall correctly.

As for miracles I think those are less likely to turn out wrong depending upon the deity granting the miracle. It is also dependent on what is being asked of them to do.

Invention is the key to staying ahead of the competition.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 :  16:17:52  Show Profile  Visit Alisttair's Homepage Send Alisttair a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Could there be a 4E Wish Ritual that could be used to boost stats etc... (which would be something to work towards at level 30 I imagine)?

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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Apr 2011 :  09:07:40  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


I wish WotC would publish PSK's Godborn this year!

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Seldom are wish spells used in novels, or revealed to have been used. Some unnamed spells, like that binding Telamont used against Mephistopheles, and that shield he erected to deflect the Chosen's silverfire, might be wish spells. If I recall it right, Tam also used them in the HL trilogy, as [again, if I remember it correctly] noted by Lallara in their final confrontation.



I can't see the shield he used to deflect silverfire being a wish spell. The spell requires too much on the spot special wording for him to have cast it. Granted he may have used a wish spell to be granted the knowledge of how to block Silverfire since he is the only one ever known to have done it.

Against Mephistopheles I never saw anything that could not be done without a wish spell. As another said, it was made clear he was drawing power from both his archwizards and possibly the Mythallar. it was made clear before the summoning that he was probably the only one on Shade who could have done it with help. due to his personal power. If a wish spell made it possible, than there were many who could have done it



We better ask Paul. And I'll ask Troy in his FB.

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