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Aryalómë
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 22:22:24
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I'd like some true FR canon regarding the afformentioned. How many types were orignally in FR before 4e? Is it possible to have a sizeable amount of good/neutral hags/hagspawn?
Are hagspawn hideous/ugly like their mothers?
Could someone provide write-ups for the various types of hags and hagspawn?
I'm thinking about making a human female, or maybe a wood elf female, who is the unchanged daughter of a night (maybe a different one) hag. Her mother has completed six of the thirteen rituals needed to change her and she's trying to stop her from completing them by always being on run. Yet she doesn't know of her heritage heritage. Her father is a Ffolk noble on the Moonshae Isles and her not-mother is as well. Her mother knows of her origins and barely tolerates her. What do guys think? (Kinda got inspired by Halloween for her story)
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 22:28:05
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Hagspawn are detailed in the Unapproachable East (3e), pages 12-13. quote:
Physical Description: Hagspawn are tall and powerfully built, with long arms, big hands, and a hunched posture. Their black hair is long and lank, and their eyes gleam red with malice. Their faces are heavy-featured and coarse, and their skin color often hints at their mother’s subrace—pallid blue for the sons of annises, sickly green for a green hag’s spawn, and so on. In lands where hags are scarce, a hagspawn might pass for a loutish and ill-favored human, but the folk of the East know them all too well.
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Hawkins
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 22:50:42
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| Also, IIRC, hagspawn are always male, whereas female offspring of hags are always hags. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 23:20:18
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They are pretty redundant with Ogres. So are a lot of things from that source (did we really need two different races of 'Wood Giants' in FR? REALLY?!)
So yeah, Hagspan are very much Grendel-ugly.
Hags CANNOT be good, AFAIK, but I suppose a hagspawn could, under the right circumstances (after all, they are a PC race). There are three main types of hags, but all together there are around a dozen variants (A Night-hagspawn would be interesting - sort of a tiefling/Ogre combo.) |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 23:24:55
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| I read that in Ravenloft there were these hags called Brujah hags and they were good. And I don't suppose that hagspawn HAVE too be ugly, some hagspawn that I read about could pretty much pass off as large human males, save for odd skin/hair/eye colouration. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 23:38:15
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Originally posted by Erendriel Durothil
I read that in Ravenloft there were these hags called Brujah hags and they were good. And I don't suppose that hagspawn HAVE too be ugly, some hagspawn that I read about could pretty much pass off as large human males, save for odd skin/hair/eye colouration.
You are correct...about the Brujah...but even they are ugly right? |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 00:10:23
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| Well, yes. But I was reffering to hagspawn lol. |
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Calmar
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 00:32:55
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I don't know about the Realms fluff, but in several Irish folk tales I read the male counterpart of hags are giants, who, in my opinion, pretty much resemble D&D's ogres. After all, hags tend to hang out alot with ogres.
Edit.: I'd wager hags resemble human girls up to the point where their nature becomes obvious and they turn into hideous crones. I'd go with human, or elven/half-elven stats to represent a hag's daughter.
Also, on Toril I wouldn't use night hags, because they are inhabitants of Hades (respectively a Tree-plane I don't know...), while green hags, sea hags and annis hags are natives of the Material plane; but that's mostly just my subjective taste and opinion.  |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 00:40:54
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| A friend of mine over at WotC has been playing with hags a LONG time. With his permission I can provide you with a ton of homebrew, if you are interested. Hags, variant hags, good hags, hagspawn and the very rare male hag also known as a Krampus. |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 01:40:08
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I'd like to know about these annis hags. I can't seem to find out really anything on them. And I LOVE Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Cornish, and the whole slew of Celtic folklore (which is truth lore to me :P).
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 01:50:27
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Originally posted by Erendriel Durothil
I read that in Ravenloft there were these hags called Brujah hags and they were good.
That's essentially correct, though it's a little more elaborate than simply saying that they are "good." |
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Cleric Generic
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 10:34:52
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If you consider FR computer games lore, then Mask of the Betrayer (NWN2 expansion) has a Hagspawn optional PC who I seem to recall isn't (totally) evil and could pass for an odd but not unattractive human with dark blue skin. So there's some precedent for that. As for a list of Hags known i nthe Realms, where, and whatnot, no idea... There are a couple of Realmsian Hags statted up in 3e Unapproachable East (Bheur and Shrieking Hags).
Lovin the backstory for your character there, and I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work as written. |
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