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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 18:54:05
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My googling hasn't yielded much. Has Cerberus ever been D&Deified? I think he would make a great guardian for the Gates of Nessus. Perhaps even a minor Duke of Hell in his own right. We already have the Nessian Warhounds, Advanced Hellhounds. Perhaps they are whelps of Cerberus. I'd like to find 3.5 stats for this diabolic canine. Also some cool pics. Anybody know of any? Comics, video games, anime, tattoos, wherever brilliant artists congregate.
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Edited by - Fellfire on 10 Apr 2011 18:56:07
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 18:58:48
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| He is written-up in both the 1e DD and the 2e L&L. |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 21:55:47
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I think that due to his exact position in (is it Greek mythology?), that he hasn't been
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2011 : 22:18:18
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Actually, Kezef is Fenris, not Cerberus.
Cerberus has three heads.
He 'may' be detailed in one of the PS products, because I know they've included Charon and the River Styx. Hopefully, someone with more PS knowledge then me (which is most folks) will come along and either confirm or deny that.
EDIT: Two-headed Death Dogs appear in the 1e FF. Some sort of offspring, perhaps? (like an animal version of a Cambion) |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 00:18:12
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 15:59:28
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| I'm almost certain that was in one of the fiend folios. |
"Then I saw there was a way to Hell even from the gates of Heaven"
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 16:29:13
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 16:47:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
EDIT: Two-headed Death Dogs appear in the 1e FF. Some sort of offspring, perhaps? (like an animal version of a Cambion)
While I don't have the 1E FF at hand, my guess is that those Death Dogs were inspired by Orthros, a two-headed monstrous dog also from Greek mythology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthrus (note the latinised English spelling with a 'u' instead of the Greek 'o'). In Hesiod's Theogony, which is one of the oldest extant Western poems, he is father of the (Greek) Sphinx and brother of Kerberos (who in the Theogony is fifty-headed - read the description: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0130%3Acard%3D304 -, and even hundred-headed in a later, 5th century BC poem). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 17:36:31
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Originally posted by Rhewtani
Fluffy? Just play him a bit of music and he goes right to sleep...
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 17:42:01
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 17:59:14
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A hundred-headed or even fifty-headed anything is utterly ridiculous. Either its heads would have to be proportionately tiny (which would just look silly as hell), or it wouldn't be able to lift it's heads off the ground (if they were proportionate to the body).
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Originally posted by althen artren
I'd also add the creature of legend template from I don't remember where.quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
I'm almost certain that was in one of the fiend folios.
3e MM2, pg.213. 
And I suppose a Canino-Hydra isn't out of the question (a multi-headed reptile with wolf-like heads). |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 18:03:04
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| Darn. I had downloaded MM2 and the fiend folio same day. Get them mixed up every now and then. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 18:18:54
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Originally posted by Markustay
A hundred-headed or even fifty-headed anything is utterly ridiculous. Either its heads would have to be proportionately tiny (which would just look silly as hell), or it wouldn't be able to lift it's heads off the ground (if they were proportionate to the body).
If taken literally, yes. But keep in mind that this is (ancient) literature and thought.
I guess you are also not a fan of the Hekatoncheires then... ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekatonkheires |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 18:35:04
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| Hell, Typhon's worse than that. He had 100 dragon heads on each hand/arm/shoulder, each one of which could be torn off into a fully grown dragon. The greeks were big on things with multiple heads. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 18:42:11
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Most of the more ancient religions had very weird, non-human gods. The Asians were particularly fond of multi-head, multi-eyed themes.
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I guess you are also not a fan of the Hekatoncheires then... Linky
Nope - I always found them silly.
But then again, anything with a Hundred cherries is alright in my book. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 18:54:09
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Not that it adds a great deal to the discussion, but I particularly like the image of the Hundred-Handed One that showed up in the 4e Astral Sea book.
Carry on!
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 18:54:46
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Nope - I always found them silly.
Please trust me when I say that I don't want to sound (or be) patronising but this is a good opportunity to point out the differences in the reception of mythology etc. in different cultures and periods: I absolutely agree that the Hekatoncheires appear silly to our modern minds but we should note that they were not ridiculous in antiquity (or in the Theogony at least) but taken seriously by the poet and his audience. Quite interesting if one thinks about it! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 20:35:19
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LOL - I don't offend easily.
In fact, only one person on this site EVER managed to get under my skin enough for me to report them - something I am normally LOATHE to do (as a 'New Yorker', I have this thing about 'being a rat').
Good call, though. It is kinda funny when you look at what used to scare people in the past, which is pretty funny to us now (like old-school movie monsters).
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Not that it adds a great deal to the discussion, but I particularly like the image of the Hundred-Handed One that showed up in the 4e Astral Sea book.
That is INSANELY cool, Erik. 
I've just changed my mind - I never pictured anything like THAT.
Epic-props for showing us that. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 22:24:31
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Not that it adds a great deal to the discussion, but I particularly like the image of the Hundred-Handed One that showed up in the 4e Astral Sea book.
Carry on!
Cheers
Interesting. It's like a dream vestige in corporeal form, and with swords. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 23:55:32
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Apr 2011 : 00:10:50
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| is it alright if I really hate that creature? |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Apr 2011 : 06:13:23
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Cerberus has a 2e write up in Legends & Lore p.121. There's also a version of him in the very first Gods book, the original D&D Supplement IV Gods, Demigods & Heroes p.17
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