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Gouf
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 Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 15:02:18
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OK 2nd ed. guys. I need an opinion. There is a contradiction in Demihuman Deities. Under Dumathoin. The contradiction comes in that it states instances of a Multiclass Delvsons (specialty priests) then says they are not allowed to multiclass, then references them multiclassing again.
"The Knights of the Mithral Shield, based in Citadel Adbar, is an order of 300 Dumathan crusaders and multiclassed delvesonn/fighters."
So a multiclassed delvesonn/fighters is allowed.
"• Delvesonns are not allowed to multiclass."
So a multiclassed delvesonn/fighters is not allowed?
"• In extremely rare circumstances, single-classed delvesonns
who are particularly favored by the Silent Keeper are selected
as the Chosen of Dumathoin and may continue to advance
beyond 14th level without having to earn triple normal experience
points."
So a multiclassed delvesonn/fighters is allowed again. A 3 way contradiction all within 2 adjacent pages....
I'm thinking the word 'not' in the second example is the error. Opinions.
Wizard website acknowledges the errata, but has no advice for which is correct other than to say: "pick whichever you are most comfortable with." <- That was disappointing.
Opinions?
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Edited by - Gouf on 23 Apr 2011 15:04:02
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 15:05:07
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| The key word is 'Crusaders'; a discrete class presented in (IIRC) Faiths and Avatars. So the Crusaders can multiclass, but the specialty priests cannot. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 17:23:50
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For a couple of the 2E specialty priests, the multiclass option they had was specific to that faith, and was not otherwise allowed. Another good example was with Mielikki -- she had multiclassed druid/ranger followers. In 2E, rangers had to be good, and druids had to be true neutral. Only by being a priest of Mielikki could one be a druid/ranger.
So not necessarily a contradiction, but a special exception to the rule. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 18:27:35
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Tom Costa, who helped worked on some of the 2e FR material, posted this on the FR mailing list way back in 2001.
"Wish I had an official answer on these, but I don't -- I even double checked my copy of the original working manuscript to see if they were errors in
transition to no avail.
In my 2E game, I eliminated clerics and allowed specialty priests to multiclass as if they were clerics or specialty priests, eliminating this
question from game for my group. And since the official 2E rules don't allow for dual classing in nonhumans (as oppossed to multiclassing), that's
not a viable solution -- though again, I allowed my nonhuman players to do this if they desired. Obviously, 3E solves this problem nicely. In your
case, however, I would say just pick whichever you are most comfortable with. The most consistent thing would be to make the order crusaders and
cleric/fighters and/or delvesonns, rather than crusaders and delvesonn/fighters. Or perhaps the Knights of the Mithril Shield are
special NPCs who break the rules (as has happened often in NPCs in 1E and 2E)."
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Ayrik
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Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 23:43:14
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Delvsons are a specialty priest. Not the same thing as clerics.
Clerics can multiclass (fighter/cleric, etc) and specialty priests (Delvsons) cannot. There are a few exceptions to both; sort of the same logic as multiclassing mages vs specialist wizards.
I'm guessing the first quote ("multiclassed delvesonn/fighters") is something of a typo. You have conflicting source canon (and not a lot of it, either) so "pick your own" sadly seems to be the best answer you'll get. |
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Gouf
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Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 15:35:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Arik
Delvsons are a specialty priest. Not the same thing as clerics.
Clerics can multiclass (fighter/cleric, etc) and specialty priests (Delvsons) cannot. There are a few exceptions to both; sort of the same logic as multiclassing mages vs specialist wizards.
Yeah looking at the other Dwarven Deities it can go either way:
-Clangedddin Specialty priests can multiclass (Fighter/Alaghor)
-Deep Duera Specialty priests multiclass as norothar/psionicists and
as norothar/fighters.
-Haela Brightave Specialty priests can multiclass as fighter/luckmaidens
-Ladugure priests can multi-class as thuldor/psionicists
So out of the 13 other dwarven gods, 4 others allow a specialty priest to multiclass..... hmmmm.... |
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GMWestermeyer
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 18:01:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Tom Costa, who helped worked on some of the 2e FR material, posted this on the FR mailing list way back in 2001.
"Wish I had an official answer on these, but I don't -- I even double checked my copy of the original working manuscript to see if they were errors in transition to no avail.
In my 2E game, I eliminated clerics and allowed specialty priests to multiclass as if they were clerics or specialty priests, eliminating this question from game for my group.
That's the same way I solve the issue in my games. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 22:25:32
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| Druids are specialty priests who can multiclass. I would personally allow, say, a multiclassed fighter/tempus or thief/mask specialty priest ... though you'll find contradictory rules if you look for them. |
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