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Dennis
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 Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 03:13:09
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Since this is my thread, I'm entitled to relate it to anything I want.
Seriously, though, I wish more will be revealed about the Dread Rings. Come to think of it, shouldn't Richard have written a short story in Realms of the Dead featuring Fastrin and his first dabbling with the Dread Rings?
I would have enjoyed that more than the Baeris story
As would I. Though that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy Serpentsong---because I certainly did. And you don't have to say you didn't enjoy it at all, because I know you never like bards in the first place.
lol i even go so far as to slay all of the bards i find in Skyrim.  after i save my game of course
Ha! Milil will send his avatars to hunt you down!
On topic, I wonder, has Larloch ever dabbled in chronomancy?
I brought this question to Ed's scroll. And he said no. Doing so would have stripped him of most of his defenses and contingies. Too much risk, too little gain.
Which led me to another question: Is there any prominent archwizard in Toril who dabbled in chronomancy at some point in their long [or short] existence? Or who still does? [Other than Jeriah, of course.] |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 03:15:21
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Which is odd, because I started to become a fan in 2e.
However, I didn't really get into the setting until 3e. Seeing how excellent it was presented in FRCS (and the complete lack of almost any GH products for 3e), I went back through all the 2e products and read them thoroughly (as opposed to my previous perusal for 'juicy bits' I could borrow). Ergo, I was visually 'enchanted' by 3e, and those are the images that stuck with me.
As an aside, I do not feel I am doing Ed or his wonderful Realms a disservice... quite the contrary. Doctor Doom is an excellent villain, whereas Manshoon - as presented in most stories - came off as the leader of the 'keystone cops' (popular misconception, but not without merit). I realize the sourcebooks NEVER gave us this impression, but other sources did make them appear completely incompetent. I would prefer to think of Manshoon as Doom, then the alternative most people seem to fall back on; I realize Ed's Zhents were a real threat, and serious contenders for villainy. Using Doom as a model is doing them justice, IMHO.
Didn't all three of those guys - Doom, Manshoon, and Vader - all go after their own offspring and try to kill them? (sometimes successfully). I am not sure about Manshoon - I know he did in his own family, IIRC, but I'm not sure if he ever had any kids (that he knew of). Doom had that clone... like 'Mini-Me' LOL
Anyhow, I am just not seeing any FR Mage tinkering much with time, considering Mystra's Chosen (policing Toril itself), and outsiders and/or powerful clandestine groups that monitor the timestream and temporal tinkerers. Some limited stuff, sure, but nothing major. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 03:39:20
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Didn't all three of those guys - Doom, Manshoon, and Vader - all go after their own offspring and try to kill them? (sometimes successfully).
Doom's focus on his "children" hasn't always been as clear cut as that of other famous villains, like Darth Vader for example. At odd times, Doom has both loved and hated his children. In fact, he owes the return of his current powerful status, largely, to his "spiritual daughter"... Valeria Richards.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 09:10:16
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| The relationship between evil overlords and their offspring (children, clones, AI cyborgs, etc) is complex. The parent wishes for their child to be successful yet (being an overlord) absolutely cannot tolerate any challenge to their power. Family virtues such as treachery, ambition, and ruthlessness are carefully cultivated - yet one must always be careful to ensure such things are always kept in check and underlings are punished for challenging your authority. Nepotism is expected, and yet the parent will also attempt to assassinate his offspring on a regular basis, secretly taking some pride (and worrying for his own life) whenever the child prevails. Such children usually become redundant and belligerent threats when evil research breakthroughs in nanotechnology or brain serum present more immediate methods for achieving immortality. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 15:53:55
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Um... Maybe the discussion of Szassy should go to its own dedicated topic, and not continue diverting this one.
It's not a diversion. I touched on Szass Tam when I conjectured that he might have dabbled in chronomancy; and that his Dread Rings' purpose might be to reset time instead of destroying Toril and its gods. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 17:27:30
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Um... Maybe the discussion of Szassy should go to its own dedicated topic, and not continue diverting this one.
It's not a diversion. I touched on Szass Tam when I conjectured that he might have dabbled in chronomancy; and that his Dread Rings' purpose might be to reset time instead of destroying Toril and its gods.
When we're discussing a specific character, and wind up speculating on the plans/abilities of another, yeah, that's a diversion of the topic. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 17:59:29
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Um... Maybe the discussion of Szassy should go to its own dedicated topic, and not continue diverting this one.
It's not a diversion. I touched on Szass Tam when I conjectured that he might have dabbled in chronomancy; and that his Dread Rings' purpose might be to reset time instead of destroying Toril and its gods.
When we're discussing a specific character, and wind up speculating on the plans/abilities of another, yeah, that's a diversion of the topic.
Not when said speculations/conjectures bear some weight.
You might want to review my OP. I asked if there's any wizard in Toril whose ability is similar to Ultear's. It appears like there's no definite answer to it. Hence, speculations, supported by whatever available information, are pretty much welcome. Now, if one says Riven's dogs are chronomancers, then that's clearly a diversion.
I'm done with Szass Tam in this thread, anyway. So I don't know why I'm explaining myself. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 18:05:29
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I understand that chronomancy is a totally different school of magic. However, chronomancers also practice the art of [some, if not all] the eight 'more common' schools. But of the eight, which are they strongest in? Illusion? And which are they weakest in? Conjuration? Also, does chronomancy prevents its practitioners from dabbling in any of the eight other schools?
Wielders of shadow magic are specially powerful in the schools of Enchantment, Illusion and Necromancy, while weak in the schools of Evocation and Transmutation. Does similar division of expertise [strengths and weaknesses] apply to chronomancers? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 22:23:45
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Distraction and false dichotomy. Weak premise, conclusion of questionable validity.
"Isn't it conceivable, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that OJ Simpson is completely innocent of this crime because - bear with me on this - secret terrorist cells with an anti-NFL agenda have planted all this evidence to incite discontent and uncertainty? Can you dismiss the possibility that OJ is not the criminal but is instead the victim of this crime? Yes, I admit it's an improbable-seeming plot, but can you pronounce him guilty with absolute certainty, knowing that a plot such as the one I described could exist? Knowing, indeed, that in our troubled world such a plot must surely exist? Can you disprove such a plot?"
C'mon, Dennis, admit it. You feel Szass's mastery of magic is mighty beyond comparison, that (with the sole exception - perhaps - of Larloch) his skills at magic reign supreme and unchallenged. Master of necromancy he is, perhaps the most potent in the Realms, competent at other magics he is as well, a mage of the highest echelon. But he almost certainly is no chronomancer, not in published fiction, not in published stats across all D&D editions - if time was his to command then he would've wielded it along with every other tool in his magical arsenal. Instead, he was thwarted and even maimed, he lost decades or perhaps centuries of effort, without ever once resorting to any kind of secret weapon manipulating time. (And yes, it's true that magic wasn't really working out all that well for him during the Spellplague crisis, but my point is that Szass didn't implement any kind of temporal magic, he never even bothered trying, he never even mused upon and dismissed the possibility, while on the other hand his preparations and contingencies in every other conceivable regard were inhumanly systematic, efficient, and perfect.)
In terms of D&D rules, chronomancy is quite optional and obscure and (aside from name) little known to most people. In terms of Realms setting, chronomancy is just another interesting name for another obscure kind of magic and (aside from name) little known to any but the most esoteric wizards and sages. Many can cast spells like haste, slow, and time stop without understanding the finer workings of chronomancy (and how many wizards can tell you where their spell formulae originally came from?). Few indeed can comprehend or are even aware of the Demiplane of Time, fewer still have dared to explore or manipulate it, and precious few of those have ever returned to tell the tale. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 20:24:58
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Chuck Norris could kick Szass Tam's butt... while sleeping... with his hands tied behind his back... from another dimension...
EDIT: And so that I don't get in trouble, I think Chuck Norris could kick Dr. Who's but too, AND Immortus. Chuck Norris is not constrained by time, he constrains IT.
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 14:11:29
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No, Ayrik. I don't feel that way about Szass Tam. I only feel that way for Larloch and Vosthym. [Is it just me or there's really something about those statements that don't sound right?]
In an episode of Fairy Tail, a new dimension of Ultear's power was shown. Her Time Ark appeared to be quite versatile. It could focus on something [a rock, in the new episode] that continuously reset its own time so that it appeared like it's absorbing the enemy's power. A foe's magical energy hit the rock, but the rock did not shatter as the Time Ark reset it to its original state.
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Does silverfire enable all of Mystra's Chosen to time-travel at will? |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 00:22:24
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| Doubtful. As I understand spellfire (and silverfire is merely a variation of this) that is not one of its effects or abilities. Certain members of her Chosen can use spells that affect or manipulate time in various ways (I recall Elminster using a spell in "Making of a Mage" that did something like this) but not time-travel. Also, El was stuck in some sort of temporal stasis for several centuries, as well. That's the only thing I can think of that even applies to any them regarding "time-travel". |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 11:48:52
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In an episode of Fairy Tail, a new dimension of Ultear's power was shown. Her Time Ark appeared to be quite versatile. It could focus on something [a rock, in the new episode] that continuously reset its own time so that it appeared like it's absorbing the enemy's power. A foe's magical energy hit the rock, but the rock did not shatter as the Time Ark reset it to its original state.
Her powers are a bit similar to Orihime Inoue from Bleach. though i believe her actual power is not time manipulation as was originally thought but the god like ability to reject certain phenomena and events that she did not approve of and restore them to their former or even their future states.
Does anyone in the realms have have similar powers I wonder? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 19:32:14
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Um... Maybe the discussion of Szassy should go to its own dedicated topic, and not continue diverting this one.
It's not a diversion. I touched on Szass Tam when I conjectured that he might have dabbled in chronomancy; and that his Dread Rings' purpose might be to reset time instead of destroying Toril and its gods.
Hmmmm... it may be serendipitous (second time I used that word this week... POINTS FOR ME!) that Thauranil just dredged this topic up.
We have no idea what this 'new' (old?) Sundering might be, but it will be revealed in a week. If Szass Tam was going for a 'reset' rather then a change, then what he was attempting was to revert the Realms back to the world it might have been. Basically, he'd 'un-do' the Elven Sundering (or Ao's), which would change everything (Elaine's Evermeet novel said that some 'peoples' were wiped off the face of Toril, "as if they never existed").
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 11:02:11
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In an episode of Fairy Tail, a new dimension of Ultear's power was shown. Her Time Ark appeared to be quite versatile. It could focus on something [a rock, in the new episode] that continuously reset its own time so that it appeared like it's absorbing the enemy's power. A foe's magical energy hit the rock, but the rock did not shatter as the Time Ark reset it to its original state.
Her powers are a bit similar to Orihime Inoue from Bleach. though i believe her actual power is not time manipulation as was originally thought but the god like ability to reject certain phenomena and events that she did not approve of and restore them to their former or even their future states.
Does anyone in the realms have have similar powers I wonder?
I'm not familiar with her. I loved the latest Bleach film. But I haven't watched the series yet. 300+ episodes...That's daunting.
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 11:15:11
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Um... Maybe the discussion of Szassy should go to its own dedicated topic, and not continue diverting this one.
It's not a diversion. I touched on Szass Tam when I conjectured that he might have dabbled in chronomancy; and that his Dread Rings' purpose might be to reset time instead of destroying Toril and its gods.
We have no idea what this 'new' (old?) Sundering might be, but it will be revealed in a week. If Szass Tam was going for a 'reset' rather then a change, then what he was attempting was to revert the Realms back to the world it might have been. Basically, he'd 'un-do' the Elven Sundering (or Ao's), which would change everything (Elaine's Evermeet novel said that some 'peoples' were wiped off the face of Toril, "as if they never existed").
It's even possible that each Dread Ring is specifically programmed to do individual tasks. The first sucks all forms of life in the world and transfers the acquired energy to the second, which in turn destroys all the planes of existence. The third obliterates the gods. And the fourth to the nth 'recreate' everything. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 13:52:30
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 17:11:12
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In an episode of Fairy Tail, a new dimension of Ultear's power was shown. Her Time Ark appeared to be quite versatile. It could focus on something [a rock, in the new episode] that continuously reset its own time so that it appeared like it's absorbing the enemy's power. A foe's magical energy hit the rock, but the rock did not shatter as the Time Ark reset it to its original state.
Her powers are a bit similar to Orihime Inoue from Bleach. though i believe her actual power is not time manipulation as was originally thought but the god like ability to reject certain phenomena and events that she did not approve of and restore them to their former or even their future states.
Does anyone in the realms have have similar powers I wonder?
I'm not familiar with her. I loved the latest Bleach film. But I haven't watched the series yet. 300+ episodes...That's daunting.
Yeah though I myself love bleach, i still havent finished watching the entire series, but i,ve managed to get 3/4 of it done.
I haven't seen all the films but she is definitely in the earlier ones, an orange haired, lively and innocentish friend of Ichigos?
Anyway I think its one of my all time favorite series. Check it out, a lot of the episodes are fillers and can be skipped if you want though i generally don't as they are usually worth watching. |
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