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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
 Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 19:04:47
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Poll Question:
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Originally posted by The Sage
Acolyte -- 0 - 14 [no stars]
Seeker -- 15 - 74 [one purple star]
Learned Scribe -- 75 - 349 [two red stars]
Senior Scribe -- 350 - 999 [three gold stars]
Master of Realmslore -- 1000 - 1999 [four silver stars]
Great Reader -- 2000 -- 9999 [five yellow stars]
Miscellaneous title -- 10000+ [five yellow stars plus unique title of your own choosing]
I always felt that "Great Reader" felt like a "demotion" from "Master of Realmslore," and am seeking a new option to petition the sages most high here at the 'Keep.
Above are the ranks as described by the most learned Sage. Below are a few options that I thought up. Feel free to suggest others and I will try to add them to the poll.
EDIT: Having re-read An Introduction to Candlekeep I have decided to close this poll.
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| Keep it, but swap it with Master of Realmslore |
 [29%] |
6 votes |
| Defender of Realmslore |
[5%] |
1 votes |
| Wizened Sage |
[14%] |
3 votes |
| Archmaster of Realmslore |
[0%] |
0 votes |
| Great Reader of Realmslore (see Wolfhound''s suggestion below) |
[14%] |
3 votes |
| Great Reader of Realmslore (without other changes) |
[5%] |
1 votes |
| Replace Master of Realmslore with Master Reader (the alternate official title) |
[0%] |
0 votes |
| No Changes |
[33%] |
7 votes |
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Poll Status:
Locked »» |
Total Votes: 21 counted »» |
Last Vote:
07 Feb 2012 13:09:06 |
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Edited by - Hawkins on 07 Feb 2012 17:24:46
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 19:11:50
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| I miss my Master of Realmslore title too. That said, we have Great Reader because it's the highest level in the real Candlekeep! |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 20:23:58
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In England, Reader is an academic title, one step below professor. Most English universities have lecturers, whose American equivalent are professors, then senior lecturers, then readers, then prof's.
So, I'm ok with Great Reader, but as a suggestion why not Archmaster of Realmslore? |
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Wolfhound75
Learned Scribe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 20:46:46
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As an alternate suggestion for the nomenclature of the various levels, I put forth the following:
Acolyte
Seeker
Learned Scribe
Senior Scribe
Master Scribe
Great Reader of Realmslore
Miscellaneous Title of Choice |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 23:38:23
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I'm fine with Great Reader as it is. For me, "Great" sounds above mere "Master." |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4702 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 00:16:54
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Such a poll might offer interesting numbers however it appears unlikely that "swap it with Master of Realmslore" or "Archmaster of Realmslore", becuase of the Intro Ed wrote for Candlekeep.
The select your own name option exists, however you need many more posts. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8035 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 00:29:31
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| I've always felt Master of Realmslore was superior to Great Reader, although Candlekeep's titles are structured to conform with Ed's descriptions, as written in An Introduction to Candlekeep. Grand Poobah High Worthy Scribe George Krashos was granted special permission to retain his Master of Realmslore title - perhaps ye might request the same, Hawkins? |
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Edited by - Ayrik on 03 Feb 2012 00:33:43 |
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:03:21
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| i like Great Reader so keep it same place maybe add "of Realmslore" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:07:20
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As Ayrik notes above, the ranking structure of virtual Candlekeep follows what Ed outlined in "An Introduction to Candlekeep."
Krash's special title was granted among the contributing scribes to reflect his special position among Realms designers.
Hawkins, I'm sure if you discuss it with Alaundo, you might be able to sway him into special consideration eventually. No promises, of course. But it can't hurt to ask.  |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8035 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 01:43:05
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quote:
The Sage
... it can't hurt to ask.
Especially if you ask nicely. A double heap of Realmslore with cherries on top. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 07:27:17
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| I like great reader. Its more authentic, but great reader of realmslore does sound better. Something to look forward to. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3253 Posts |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 16:00:42
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| Archmaster of Realmslore... |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 18:01:29
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| I need to re read An Introduction to Candlekeep. I remember having had read it, but little else. |
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One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 22:01:06
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Having re-read An Introduction to Candlekeep and received the below response from Ed, I no longer agree with the need for a new title to replace Great Reader. However, how do you other scribes feel about changing Master of Realmslore to Master Reader, the alternate title given in An Introduction to Candlekeep? I think that that would be less confusing overall (and I know it would be personally).
quote:
Private Message from The Hooded One
Hi, Hawkins! Here's Ed's reply:
In my 1967 short story THE ENDLESS CHANTS OF ALAUNDO, the Great Reader is the head of Candlekeep, or a retired head of Candlekeep (akin to "Professor Emeritus"), or the second-in-command if the avatar of Oghma or Deneir or Milil is visiting. There can be any number of Master Readers (just as in the Realms, there are lots of "Master Bakers," "Master Smiths," and other senior guild memberships). "Master" means an accomplished senior level of skill, whereas "Great" implies higher than that. That's why. :}
There you go. So saith Ed!
love,
THO
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Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 23:23:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I'm liking Great Reader as well. Maybe add "No changes" to the poll?
Good suggestion. And needless to say, I voted that. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5699 Posts |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
1864 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2012 : 20:18:03
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I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
I would (if I were allowed to vote anymore, which it seems the poll disallows), vote for changing 'Master of Realmslore' to 'Master Reader', to conform with 'Great Reader' (obviously higher in this context) and to keep Krashos' title special. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2012 : 20:32:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
I would (if I were allowed to vote anymore, which it seems the poll disallows), vote for changing 'Master of Realmslore' to 'Master Reader', to conform with 'Great Reader' (obviously higher in this context) and to keep Krashos' title special.
MODS- If you do decide to change "Master of Realmslore" to another title, can you please wait until i am around 1995 posts?? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 00:54:15
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| I don't see any reason to change the post count for reaching Master of Realmslore, to be honest. I think 1,000 posts marks a definitive degree of committment to both this site and to chatter about the Realmslore. It's certainly appropriate. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 04:05:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
Agreed. 1,500 or 2,000 posts, I think, would be more appropriate for the said title. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 11:51:45
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| I am not a huge fan of the Great Reader name. For myself I would prefer the name Great Grumbler. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 13:54:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
Agreed. 1,500 or 2,000 posts, I think, would be more appropriate for the said title.
Dennis you are approaching 10,000. Have you started thinking up a cool nickname yet?? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 02:29:42
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quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
Agreed. 1,500 or 2,000 posts, I think, would be more appropriate for the said title.
Dennis you are approaching 10,000. Have you started thinking up a cool nickname yet??
When I joined Candlekeep, two of the many things I noticed were Wooly and Sage's unique titles (other than the Mod, of course). So I checked my profile and thought I could "customize" my tile. Didn't know about the ranking at first. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 05:09:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
I am not a huge fan of the Great Reader name. For myself I would prefer the name Great Grumbler.
How about Great Grognard? Actually, if you don't want that one, I'll claim it. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 08:47:08
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| Nah, that would just give a couple of people more reason to include me in their whining (Brimstone is not included among them for the record)even if I myself have no problem with the term. I am trying to get into Candlekeep again without having an urge to strangle someone through the keyboard or turning into a pain myself so the less cause for me to get into arguments the better. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8035 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 09:30:56
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| Ayrik's Candlekeep motto: Speak no evil, do not feed the trolls, and consider it not so deeply. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2012 : 22:05:05
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I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36966 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2012 : 01:26:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects.
Yes, but our Great Readers are still subject to the law of the land -- the Code of Conduct. 
Side note: It took me a while to figure out that "Ichandar, ninety-one times Emperor!" meant he was the 91st Emperor, and not Ichandar XCI.  |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 03:55:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Nah, that would just give a couple of people more reason to include me in their whining (Brimstone is not included among them for the record)even if I myself have no problem with the term. I am trying to get into Candlekeep again without having an urge to strangle someone through the keyboard or turning into a pain myself so the less cause for me to get into arguments the better.
Good logic. I've been doing the same since my return; so far, so good.
Re: topic: I like leaving the rankings as is, perhaps with the addition of an earlier title change at 5000 posts... not to replace the existing unique title at 10000, but 8000 posts is a long time to go without a promotion, Sage. I would make the 5000+ title "Exarch of Oghma" (with the approval of those already in the 5000-9999 bracket, of course). Just an idea I had; thought I should mention it before forgetting it.
Edit: Oh, and six stars for "Exarch of Oghma" and seven stars for the unique title; there seems to be enough room for that, and I'll leave colour choice up to others. Stopping at five stars seems too RW for me, and seven is a good Realmsian number. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
Edited by - Jakk on 27 Feb 2012 04:01:21 |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 03:57:35
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Ayrik's Candlekeep motto: Speak no evil, do not feed the trolls, and consider it not so deeply.
And a good motto it is, Ayrik. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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New title to replace "Great Reader"
