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Veritas
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 20:33:22
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| I would much rather be listening to Ed spout off his ideas than slaving away in the bowels of a Zhent dungeon. *cough* my office *cough* |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 20:35:51
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Originally posted by Faraer
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Sourcebooks and adventures - edition and time neutral
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Also maybe, most likely authors will be able to write a novel set in any time.
Both excellent news.quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Lore support for multiple eras is on the table.
Questions?
What can we do to help ensure it's an actuality?[quote][i]
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
A generic tip not pointed at anyone. Feel free to post your true feelings, questions and concerns....just keep it civil. Myself I suggest we start a scroll begging wotc to ask Elaine to finish Reclamation if it is at all in her to do so |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 20:41:53
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Bakra
My thanks to Red Walker & Eric for providing information from the Candlekeep Seminar. If you two ever make it to the dallas/Ft Worth area I'll buy you a beer or a cowboy hat. 
My only question, will someone make a transcript?
Also, Godborn appears to be the first novel in the Sundering storyline and WotC hasn’t pushed back its release date…yet.
Bob Salvatore Will lead with the first novel. Why? Well Ed said because when the Sundering was brought up to Bob...he said something to the effect of ....Great..I'm writing the first book and here's who's in it and here is where it is taking place. Basically Bob's work is always character driven and if that the new direction, who better to got first?
Then Ed is last, batting clean up as he said, so he can make everything the first five books did work.
Paul was there and confirmed The Godborn will be moved back to fall 2013,
Also I believe Ed stated Bob was going to write two realms novels per year....did I hear that right?
NONONONONONONO!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 21:23:10
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 21:36:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and number 1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36982 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 21:52:32
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and no1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory
Well, I'm quite glad to hear this. It certainly represents a welcome change, compared to how they operated in the past.
My optimism remains cautious, but it is increasing! |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 22:13:44
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and number 1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory
WOW! This is awesome news! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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3290 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 23:20:02
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
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Originally posted by Elsenrail
Is it the new FR logo?
Seems like it.
Perhaps the Realms books, both novels and game sourcebooks, will have Forgotten Realms branding once again.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 23:21:58
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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3290 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 23:22:16
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2012 : 23:31:26
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I bet Markus is acting like a kid in a candy store at GENCON...
I did get to meet him and shake his hand at the close of the seminar, which was close to 12:30 am......4 1/2 hours of realms talk with those guys!
His new title here at the 'keep should be something like Teddy Bear of Candlekeep
I'm thinking a teddy ruxpin avatar for him. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 01:00:10
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Ans the way I understood it was all future sourcebooks will have minimal to zero "crunch" and be as close to if not 100% "fluff" as possible
That's welcome news.
Not that I'm against the notion of "crunch" in sourcebooks, but I did grow increasing tiresome of the late 3.5e trend to supplement lore-filled sourcebooks with "encounter-sections" of about five-to-ten pages throughout the book. While some of them usually had lore included as well, it's not really stuff that I'll ever use, since I run my campaigns with my own hodge-podge ruleset. I'd rather those pages be given over to pure Realmslore.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 01:03:39
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
James just gave a rich, historical account of 32000 years of faerunian lore.
Oooo!
Any chance one of the folk attending has a transcript available for us to peruse? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 01:05:26
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and number 1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory
I'm particularly interested in learning more about this.
While I've always suspected that Wizards' has had one of it's special little eyes on us [given the regular presence of such Realms luminaries like Ed and such], I'd like to know how they feel about Candlekeep, generally. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 01:50:30
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Wish someone who is at Gencon would ask WOTC about if they would allow us to work on the Compendium and if they would be willing for us to have different rulesets in it since some of us would like to write fan articles still for 3/3.5e.
Hint, hint. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 02:15:57
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Originally posted by Kuje
Wish someone who is at Gencon would ask WOTC about if they would allow us to work on the Compendium and if they would be willing for us to have different rulesets in it since some of us would like to write fan articles still for 3/3.5e.
Hint, hint. :)
I was just thinking about that myself.
A clearer mandate from Wizards, or, at the very least, a possibility that the Fan Site Policy will be modified to work more effectively with sites like Candlekeep [since it's now apparent that Wizards are definitely more keenly aware of what we're doing here] would be really helpful for our Compendium initiative. And Matt James' proposal as well, for that matter. |
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Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
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Veritas
Learned Scribe
209 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 03:00:52
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Originally posted by The Sage
I was just thinking about that myself.
A clearer mandate from Wizards, or, at the very least, a possibility that the Fan Site Policy will be modified to work more effectively with sites like Candlekeep [since it's now apparent that Wizards are definitely more keenly aware of what we're doing here] would be really helpful for our Compendium initiative. And Matt James' proposal as well, for that matter.
Whomever makes the pitch should work on making it compelling. There won't be any policy changes until it goes through Hasbro's legal department. |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 03:41:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Ans the way I understood it was all future sourcebooks will have minimal to zero "crunch" and be as close to if not 100% "fluff" as possible
That's welcome news.
Not that I'm against the notion of "crunch" in sourcebooks, but I did grow increasing tiresome of the late 3.5e trend to supplement lore-filled sourcebooks with "encounter-sections" of about five-to-ten pages throughout the book. While some of them usually had lore included as well, it's not really stuff that I'll ever use, since I run my campaigns with my own hodge-podge ruleset. I'd rather those pages be given over to pure Realmslore.
Those were such a waste, but I am not against real good "crunch" such as so-and so's new spell, the properties of a magic item or artifact, or the fighting style of a particular region or organization granting unique benefits to a warrior type character, for example. Even a new monster or template counts for me |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 04:16:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and number 1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory
I'm particularly interested in learning more about this.
While I've always suspected that Wizards' has had one of it's special little eyes on us [given the regular presence of such Realms luminaries like Ed and such], I'd like to know how they feel about Candlekeep, generally.
Something else that should interest you. When the discussion about The website that is going to be rolled out is going to have everything about the realms ever published available in PDF form....Ed brought up a product he had write with the expectation of 96 pages.he was asked to cut I down to 32 pages of which one was an ad. (i really wish i had taken notes, Haunted Halls of Eveningstar I think it was) Ed asked if we would have interest if something like that was made available in it original form. Of course almost every hand shot up. Ed was then asked by " a decision maker" if he would rather make available a restored "directors cut" or a re-imagined version. I believe Ed thought a re-imagining would be much fun to do.
So truly, every option is on the table.
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 05:21:36
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and number 1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory
I'm particularly interested in learning more about this.
While I've always suspected that Wizards' has had one of it's special little eyes on us [given the regular presence of such Realms luminaries like Ed and such], I'd like to know how they feel about Candlekeep, generally.
Something else that should interest you. When the discussion about The website that is going to be rolled out is going to have everything about the realms ever published available in PDF form....Ed brought up a product he had write with the expectation of 96 pages.he was asked to cut I down to 32 pages of which one was an ad. (i really wish i had taken notes, Haunted Halls of Eveningstar I think it was) Ed asked if we would have interest if something like that was made available in it original form. Of course almost every hand shot up. Ed was then asked by " a decision maker" if he would rather make available a restored "directors cut" or a re-imagined version. I believe Ed thought a re-imagining would be much fun to do.
So truly, every option is on the table.
A DIRECTOR'S CUT OF THE HAUNTED HALLS?!?!?!?!
YES!!!!!!!!! |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 05:21:47
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I'll just politely say I'm cursing that this weekend is GenCon (and not next). I would LOVE to be there to hear these things.
Between what MarkusTay did with the "rearranged realms" and the news that the Sundering will bring back gods and (possibly) regions.
I love the idea of the "Ed's Director's Cut" version of things. How many Realms Fans wouldn't jump at a chance to read that?
My concern over the pdf's of the originals is, of course, going to be price. I'm concerned about it being affordable on my shoestring budget (at the moment). However, IF director's cuts were more expensive and the old pdf's were "normal" price before the purge (somewhere between $5.00 and $7.00 per pdf) it would greatly enhance my personal collection of realmslore. I'd love an Old Grey Box, but can't afford one, but at a $7.00 pdf, I could.
Being blatant: I like the paizo business model. Print= Base price PDF is some percentage less, in some cases it's 75% off!
I want to see the "bigger discount" on previous editions, excepting Director's Cuts which could neatly turn a nice profit for the company (see, I DO care!), along with the current edition getting some sort of discount, especially since they have to write the pdf to take it to the printers to begin with! So, no printers fees on the new edition, with it being somewhere between 30 and 40 percent less expensive. Yes, that's my personal goal. For core books, take a 40 dollar base book (i.e. player's handbook) and knock it to $10.00. Slight hit on profit there, but it can be made up in quantity, and it gets your ruleset out there. This type of pricing could also help prevent the piracy that was a concern before the purge.
That, and having people work on settings who care about them (this applies to another few settings I could think about). I want to see the Realms come back, badly. And, if the Sundering is what I think it is, I believe I will be very happy.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 05:36:26
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| When will WotC be releasing the rest of Ed's Border Kingdom's articles? |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 05:41:22
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| Oh and a Cormyr Lineage would be nice as a DDI article... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 05:46:57
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| There have also been discussions (nothing decided yet) about the possibily of adopting more open licensing position, which would allow better and easier workings with third party entities. Many reasons for considering such a thing, including the lack of a really great Realms video game since Baldurs Gate 2. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 06:14:12
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They need to get behind the folks working on the remastered original Baldur's Gate series and fund them to roll out BG3. Those peeps did an amazing job with both original games and their expansions. BioWares first Neverwinter Nights was really good too.
A director's cut of Ed's Haunted Halls would be damn sexy. And why stop there, I bet there's more products and things Ed could do the same with! PDF profit margins are so high they can most likely get away with including extra page counts in them. I do like PDF's, but maybe they can look into doing print on demand or some such for certain things. Certain classics I'd buy in book format. The beauty of them being open to Ed packing in the word count for products means we might see a fire hydrant of lore, buried for years or not used yet due to page count restrictions, unleashed upon us. Oh man, now that prospect gets me excited. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 06:19:16
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Originally posted by Eilserus
They need to get behind the folks working on the remastered original Baldur's Gate series and fund them to roll out BG3. Those peeps did an amazing job with both original games and their expansions. BioWares first Neverwinter Nights was really good too.
A director's cut of Ed's Haunted Halls would be damn sexy. And why stop there, I bet there's more products and things Ed could do the same with! PDF profit margins are so high they can most likely get away with including extra page counts in them. I do like PDF's, but maybe they can look into doing print on demand or some such for certain things. Certain classics I'd buy in book format. The beauty of them being open to Ed packing in the word count for products means we might see a fire hydrant of lore, buried for years or not used yet due to page count restrictions, unleashed upon us. Oh man, now that prospect gets me excited.
We were told the games are more than a remastering. They are including new content, It was said last week new voice work was recorded, including a t least one new character. The game experience will be a new one from what you got out of the original.
Also if they sell well, a part three would surely happen |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 06:41:59
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
This I can answer in part. Keep doing what your doing now, just do more. wotc has two persons whose jobs entail of monitoring forums like this. And we were told definately they read everything going on here at the keep as well as their boards and others. They hear what we are saying and they are listening.
Really? I am surprised by this news... I knew they were aware of us, but I had no idea they actually checked out the commentary here.
You can believe it my furry little friend, we do matter.
Now to try and prove it I'm going to try and paraphrase what Ed said about this very thing, dangerous for me since I showed up after work, didn't leave too til after 12:30am...and then drove home, slept 4 hours and have worked all day!
Ed said wotc knew they had three masters to consider when making this move and number 1 was taking care of the large base of long time fans/customers and making us happy....and darn if I can remember the last two! I'm sure one of my friends on attendance can pick me up and finish my partial memory
I'm particularly interested in learning more about this.
While I've always suspected that Wizards' has had one of it's special little eyes on us [given the regular presence of such Realms luminaries like Ed and such], I'd like to know how they feel about Candlekeep, generally.
Something else that should interest you. When the discussion about The website that is going to be rolled out is going to have everything about the realms ever published available in PDF form....Ed brought up a product he had write with the expectation of 96 pages.he was asked to cut I down to 32 pages of which one was an ad. (i really wish i had taken notes, Haunted Halls of Eveningstar I think it was) Ed asked if we would have interest if something like that was made available in it original form. Of course almost every hand shot up. Ed was then asked by " a decision maker" if he would rather make available a restored "directors cut" or a re-imagined version. I believe Ed thought a re-imagining would be much fun to do.
So truly, every option is on the table.
This is very much what I've been wanting to hear coming from the interactions between both Ed and Wizards.
And if these details about Haunted Halls of Eveningstar are indeed true, then I'm going to be one giddy little ol' sage for the rest of the weekend! |
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 08:12:45
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The Realms will bring you more characters to get to know and fall in love with. It might even bring a few loved individuals back. Who it is exactly that you pine for?
-- George Krashos
(Leaves his Vestments of the Candlekeep Grognard on the hook - for the time being.)
A fair question. Since you asked...
I won't assume that I won't like any of the 'new' faces they introduce - that's very much a 'wait and see' situation.
As to who (or what) should still be around:
*Laeral Silverhand: No justice was given for her disappearance - it was an entirely pointless 'vanishing act'. She wasn't just one of the Seven Sisters, or Blackstaff's Main Squeeze. She was one of the rare genuinely nice people. Not just 'good', but nice.
*Lady Alustriel: Same situation.
*Evermeet: Come on - the Feywild? Really?
*The Vilhon: Removed one of the most adventure-rich locales in the game (Hlondeth). Overall, it needs restoration.
*Qilue Veladorn: Just undo Lady Penitent. Not retcon, and not make it so it never happened. Just undo it. Fix it. Big-time fix.
*Drow Pantheon: See 'Qilue Veladorn'.
*World Map: Third Edition had one (albeit a very small one, on page 231). 4th Edition did not. Please bring world maps back. Or land by land maps, and where they would fit in a grid-style world map. Lots of maps = good. Lack of maps = bad.
*Lantan: Please fix.
*Halruaa: Please fix.
*Dambrath: Please restore it, rather than leaving it as just another humdrum beastland.
*Luiren: Please fix. 'X' Edition 'rule-shoehorning' needs to go away.
*Nimbral: Please bring it back. Even Third Edition ignored it.
Old Empires: Okay, I can accept that Unther and (for the most part) Mulhorand are gone (gotta shoehorn stuff in, and I doubt they'd revert it back to how it was). The remaining Mulhorandi city should have more detail, though - we can at least keep elements of the Old Empires (outside of Chessenta) as a going interest.
*Maztica: Okay, you removed it for Returned Abeir's sake. Fine - could you bring back some of it? Maybe along the fringe in Anchorome and the southern continent, and maybe some influence that crops up in Returned Abeir itself?
*Zhentarim: Make them a going concern again. Bring back the Keep and/or the Citadel of the Raven.
*Harpers: They are needed more than ever.
I am sure I could come up with lots more, but these are the ones that sprang to mind. I'm hoping to see some nice surprises before I hit 50 in a couple of years time.  |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 08:12:49
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Originally posted by The Sage
And if these details about Haunted Halls of Eveningstar are indeed true, then I'm going to be one giddy little ol' sage for the rest of the weekend!
I think we should be able to skip the poll and go directly to telling WotC that 100% of fans support the ideas of (1) expanding previous products to include everything that was cut in the interest of brevity... whoa, the forum censor doesn't bleep out that word? total profanity right there... and (2) letting the authors re-imagine where they want to.
I might have to join Sage in skipping and dancing.  |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2012 : 08:31:15
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Arg... I was doing so good with the being nice thing.
For the most part I agree with the good sir Harpell. However...
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Originally posted by Old Man Harpell
Old Empires: Okay, I can accept that Unther and (for the most part) Mulhorand are gone (gotta shoehorn stuff in, and I doubt they'd revert it back to how it was). The remaining Mulhorandi city should have more detail, though - we can at least keep elements of the Old Empires (outside of Chessenta) as a going interest.
*Maztica: Okay, you removed it for Returned Abeir's sake. Fine - could you bring back some of it? Maybe along the fringe in Anchorome and the southern continent, and maybe some influence that crops up in Returned Abeir itself?
The Old Empires were originally one of the more unique corners of the Realms. Over time they've been alternately ignored and repainted to look more and more bland. The Mulhorandi "gods" were, when originally published, different from the Powers of the Faerunian pantheon. You decided, right before 3e if I remember right, that they needed to be like the other Powers, just like Mulhorand needed to lose its flavor. I don't normally sugar-coat things, but I'll just say you were mistaken. Why, exactly, should all deities follow the same rules? PCs won't be fighting them, or even having tea with them. We don't need (or even want from what I've heard) stats for deities. There is, therefore, zero need for the God-Kings to be just like Powers. Make them quasi/demipowers/whatever native to the Realms. Precedent: Iuz. This segues into a general overhaul of Imaskari history, but I'll restrain myself for now.
Ignoring for a moment the question of whether Returned Abeir was a good idea in general, covering up existing realms with it was... well, polite words fail me. You have entire continents that you haven't touched. Why didn't Returned Abeir go there? I mean exclusively there. That would have presented a perfect opportunity to open up the new continents and create more lore. Instead, you opted to erase existing lore. Full reverse. I can be fine with Toril being copy-pasted or whatever it was that happened. I can even be fine with it being glommed back together... largely because we have no lore regarding Abeir for the intervening millennia, so glomming them back together doesn't destroy Abeiran lore. What I cannot be fine with --and I really do think I have a legitimate case-- is dropping a planet on the Realms.
There's no excuse for a planned unglomming failing to fully restore Mulhorand and Maztica and everywhere else to their proper places.
Edit: ...and I suspect it will, so I know I'm blowing off steam here. I've played most versions of the rules up to this point, and I'm confident based on past experience and especially everything I'm hearing now that the rules will be great. My chief concern for D&D Next is that we stop uh... messing up the Realms. And things get messed up when lore is erased and future plotlines are choked off. So... pretty please with a cherry on top... stop doing that. |
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