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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 15:20:01
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Originally posted by Matt James
Also of note is that WotC will be freeing up a new game content license.
Now that is very good news.
I just hope Wizards will be very specific with what we can and can't use in terms of the game content license. It's part of the reason why we've been unable to move forward with the Compendium -- due to the vagaries of the current Fan Site Policy. |
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Hieronymous
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Valor Dracos
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 16:20:51
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I would love to see WotC grab a detailed (and yet not super-detailed) city like Silverymoon, Suzail or Baldur's Gate and give it a Ptolus-style treatment. I'd always thought that this would be rather nifty.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2012 : 16:48:15
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Originally posted by Matt James
Also of note is that WotC will be freeing up a new game content license. This doesn't mean we will ever be able to use protected copyright content, but I would love to see the Compendium return.
Ditto. I've got stuff for it! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 22 Aug 2012 : 01:55:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Matt James
Also of note is that WotC will be freeing up a new game content license. This doesn't mean we will ever be able to use protected copyright content, but I would love to see the Compendium return.
Ditto. I've got stuff for it!
The lengthy delay between releases of the Compendium has also meant that, finally, I've been able to finish up a number of my previously promised contributions.
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Aug 2012 : 02:17:07
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| I actually hope that they do something akin to Pathfinder's Community Use Package. Seeing as it is the strongest roleplaying game brand out there right now, it seems to show that something like this does not hurt (and maybe even helps) a brand. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 22 Aug 2012 : 03:51:07
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Originally posted by Markustay
There was some stuff discussed at the con about designer-inspired products, rather then company-driven ones, and the best ways to market said products. A 'director's cut' Hauntd Halls was mentioned as part of this.
I know a bit more about this myself, but can't say more. My own take (which I suggested to them) was 'just put it out there, and let the fans decide if they want to see more of that'. You may see a surprising new option available soon to us; lore for lore sake, written by people who care, and available in s sort-of pay-as-you-go format (the details of which are still far from being sorted out, as is just about everything else at this point). Lots of ideas were being tossed around, but as of yet we have nothing concrete.
Alright, thanks, Markus! The last bit sounds mysterious, sort of like how DDI (or those kickstarter projects) works now. Anyway, I think Haunted Halls would not interest just FR fans; a well-written campaign adventure is valuable to any DM/GM. And Eveningstar is a great location in which to start your first FR campaigns.
There was one particular 'thing' that this discussion revolved around, and it was extrapolated forward for similar 'products'. Ed Greenwood specifically mentioned The Haunted Halls as a possible candidate for this sort of treatment.
Picture a designer - completely on their own - fully detailing and fleshing-out an entire campaign area that could keep you players busy for weeks, even months. Not something commissioned by WotC - something created by designers we trust and respect, who do this for the sheer love of the setting. Then picture them showing said 'love child' to WotC, and them saying, "Oh man, thats freakin' cool... we should sell that!".
There are tons and tons of thing we would love to see, and they would love to produce, but that the parent-company would have conniptions over because the products are so focused and not as guaranteed as other products (like another Cormyr book, and other Menzo book, another book on The North, etc). This is why we don't see a lot of this - if similar products got relatively low numbers in the past, they don't want to commit to them.
So take that out of the equation - zero commitment on their part. The work gets produced independently, they just check it for continuity problems and editing, and they put it on their site (in the same professional format that other 'print' products have been released in). I'm not talking about 'fan-fics' becoming canon, I'm talking about guys who have already produced awesome (and much-loved) sourcebooks doing their own FR sourcebooks. WotC makes them canon, and offers them on their site for a trivial download price ($1-3 depending on the size), and splits the money with the producer.
No cost to them, money in the pocket for the person who created the lore out of pure love, and we get lots and lots of lore on people, places, and things we would never have gotten.
That is how I would like to see things move forward, and what I suggested to James Wyatt (who was being shouted so many suggestions over the course of four days he may not even remember). I have seen some great stuff produced here by several designers, both in the CK compendiums and out (in their own threads), and I think it would be awesome if they could continue to do that for us, make it all official, and put a little money in their pockets for all their trouble.
And the bottom line is, that would cost WotC NOTHING, could make them a lot of money in the long run, and they lose nothing if there is no interest. Lore for lore sake - let the fans decide what they want and what they don't want. Thats what I meant by my last 'mysterious' comment. Of course, this means that a renewed CK compendium could be considered a 'farm team' for future projects. Imagine a 'best of CKC' being published on the WotC site as downloadable (and canon) source.
This is my own private dream, and nothing at all (about anything) is a definite at this point - mine was just one of many viewpoints being tossed around (inspired by conversations and certain other things I know exist, and really needs the proper forum for their release). Their is so much great material floating around out there that Wizbro is afraid to publish (afraid of further losses), and its a damn shame none of it is seeing the light of day. This goes for much of the 'cutting room floor' material as well.
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I would love to see WotC grab a detailed (and yet not super-detailed) city like Silverymoon, Suzail or Baldur's Gate and give it a Ptolus-style treatment. I'd always thought that this would be rather nifty.
What do you think of my suggestion above?
YOU produce it, and let the people decide if they want it. No risk for the company, and opportunity for great rewards all around.
Of course, everything would have to undergo the proper editing and fine-tooth-combining by Sages of Realmslore, as usual. This set-up would be similar to what was going on in 4e with the RPGA guys, except with better scrutiny and they'd be getting paid for their efforts (provided, of course, fans wanted said lore).
It would also give new artists and, oh... I don't know... cartographers... a chance to showcase their work (because they wouldn't be getting paid - they'd be trying to establish a name for themselves in the industry). Unless professional-level artwork was done, only the writers of a product (under my proposed format) would get a percentage of the sales. Professional artists, of course, MUST be compensated (because guys like Mike Shley are the bomb), but that could all be worked-out on a per-product basis (since I expect some multi-author products to roll out under this format, if successful). |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 22 Aug 2012 : 08:44:54
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Your suggestion has merit but it would require an FR traffic cop, and I don't think WotC have the headcount for such a role these days. An external traffic cop would work. Except for the fact that the are external!
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2012 : 00:52:30
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The 'Core' (Council of Realms Experts) concept would work - nearly all the guys contributing to the lore would help each other with proof-reading. From what I gathered from Brian and Matt James, and certain others, a lot of this is already going on, but unofficially. It's basically a second (and third, and fourth, etc) set of eyes to look over everything.
Since this would be about making the Realms better (and producing lore fans want, and money for those willing to provide it), it would really be a team effort.
And BTW, I thought Ed was wearing the 'Realms traffic cop' hat now? Maybe thats a hat he (and many others here, including yourself) can share in? Instead of hat, maybe its shoes - and you know the saying, 'those are some mighty big shoes to fill'. Realmslore by consensus - I think that could work if everyone were on board. If Ed's steering Realms design now (which was said), then he should be able to okay anything before it goes public (and if he knows the half dozen proof-readers used, he could trust in their opinions). |
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