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jordanz
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 09:28:55
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Edited by - jordanz on 26 Aug 2012 09:30:03
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 09:45:09
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Lord Snowblood
Acolyte
Australia
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 14:58:43
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| i think extremely powerful wizards such as Elminister or the Sojourner are be the only ones capable of creating Mythals by themselves. |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 17:56:36
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Originally posted by Thauranil
i think extremely powerful wizards such as Elminister or the Sojourner are be the only ones capable of creating Mythals by themselves.
Where these the "full" fledged mythals or less powerful versions?
Also what about the Netherese? Did Karsus or Ioulam create mythals? |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 18:38:43
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The old, full fledged mythals were spun with elven high magic and accessible only to the elves. Perfect example of their power: the Everska mythal can rain golden meteor swarms from it at enemies whereas Myth Drannor's cannot. Myth Drannor's mythal was a lesser wizardly version (10th level spell I think) created by Mythanthar (who was stripped of the ability to cast high magic due to a mishap). His version of the create mythal spell required the sacrifice of the caster's life and Elminster and I believe the Srinshee retain copies of his notes.
The elven Ruler's Blade allowed casting of high magic rituals and I believe there was an elven crown that acted as supporting high mages for purposes of going solo. Under normal circumstances I'd say it's not possible, as the casting of high magic tends to require supporting casters to strengthen the circle.
I'm sure Netheril had some wizards who created wizardly versions of mythals and maybe their notes survive in some ruin somewhere. Qysar Shoon, one of them anyways, created a mythal like effect around Mount Shoonach, so that's evidence of a human doing it in some form. |
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Aulduron
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 19:31:50
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jordanz
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Posted - 26 Aug 2012 : 23:41:08
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Maybe Arevin Teshurr?
Hmmm possibly...He'd have the know how but apparently he'd still need the power of multiple high mages backing the spell.. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 27 Aug 2012 : 03:03:03
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Originally posted by Lord Snowblood
Srinshee.....Elf Queen,
Srinshee, tehnically, isn't a mortal. In the earlies appearance she's already a baelnorn, later a divine minion (Chosen). And if under "Queen" you mean Amlaruil Moonflower, she's semidivine too.
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Originally posted by Lord Snowblood
Coronals of Elf realms
Specifically for Cormanthor, the Ruler's Blade allows the wearer to run Rituals of Solitude or Complement alone, but as if 3 more High Mages are helping. Mythal creation via High Magic is a Myriad ritual, right? So this kind of falls short on its own, though could give an advantage to a group including a wielder.
In wizardly versions what matters is total CL/HD of casters, with which the blade can help, and the cost which undivided may be too great even for very old dragons - which it probably won't share, but even if it did, 4 casters are still too few. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Aug 2012 : 06:58:43
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The Shadowshell is like the shadowy version of elven mythal. So by comparison, any of the Shade princes who's a wizard/sorcerer/theurge is capable of creating a "mythal" single-handedly. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 27 Aug 2012 : 07:39:44
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| I did not think it was possible to create one by oneself. lorewise. |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 07:44:29
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 13:34:50
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Thauranil
i think extremely powerful wizards such as Elminister or the Sojourner are be the only ones capable of creating Mythals by themselves.
Where these the "full" fledged mythals or less powerful versions?
Also what about the Netherese? Did Karsus or Ioulam create mythals?
I dont think they could create full fledged Mythals as those are a creation of elven high magic which is cooperative in its very nature.But grand mage Arevin was capable of casting high magic spells by himself and seemed to be an extremely formidable wizard besides so theoretically he should be able to raise a proper Mythal by himself. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 14:21:18
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In the case of the Netherese archwizards, it's not a matter of "can." Most of them are too arrogant to "imitate" some (inferior) race's (supposedly) high level spell, and so they never bothered. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 14:30:42
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 02:18:08
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Originally posted by Quale
Mythallar design was partially based on mythals
I don't recall any lore indicating that Ioulaum, creator of the very first mythallar, based it on elven mythal. Netherese arcanists accomplished many "firsts" in the realm of spellcraft, like Karsus's Avatar, Aumvor's multiple phyllacteries, Telamont's shadow-self, etc. And the mythallar is just one of these firsts. While mythallars and mythals have some similarity, they differ significantly in nature (mythallars are more like high-powered, giant batteries; while mythalls are raw energies twined together), and purpose (the mythallars power magical items and enable the archwizards' enclaves to float; while mythals are erected primarily to protect an elven territory from outside interference). |
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 05:29:40
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| And mythals were only meant to be as a ultimate defense for the elves. A mythallar was more for creating magic items and keeping the enclaves afloat, though im sure that if they had enough time some archwizard would have managed to bind a defensive spells with the mythallar...perhaps to continually refresh spells to protect his/her enclave. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 05:58:41
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Originally posted by Xar Zarath
[snip]...though im sure that if they had enough time some archwizard would have managed to bind a defensive spells with the mythallar...perhaps to continually refresh spells to protect his/her enclave.
Some already did: the Skulls of Skullport. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 06:55:54
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Quale
Mythallar design was partially based on mythals
I don't recall any lore indicating that Ioulaum, creator of the very first mythallar, based it on elven mythal. Netherese arcanists accomplished many "firsts" in the realm of spellcraft, like Karsus's Avatar, Aumvor's multiple phyllacteries, Telamont's shadow-self, etc. And the mythallar is just one of these firsts. While mythallars and mythals have some similarity, they differ significantly in nature (mythallars are more like high-powered, giant batteries; while mythalls are raw energies twined together), and purpose (the mythallars power magical items and enable the archwizards' enclaves to float; while mythals are erected primarily to protect an elven territory from outside interference).
Obviously the names are not a coincidence, they used what they had learned from Eaerlann in combination with the Nether Scrolls. Mythals like the Waymeet prove they could be used for other purposes. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 31 Aug 2012 : 15:40:53
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Originally posted by Xar Zarath
A mythallar was more for creating magic items and keeping the enclaves afloat, though im sure that if they had enough time some archwizard would have managed to bind a defensive spells with the mythallar...perhaps to continually refresh spells to protect his/her enclave.
IIRC, they added some defences to the flight or mythallar part itself after Phaerimm sabotage dropped a few.
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Originally posted by Quale
Obviously the names are not a coincidence, they used what they had learned from Eaerlann in combination with the Nether Scrolls.
Yeah, it's a spellfield, and elves did more of that than just mythals. Then again, it's not like some mythals don't have invoked powers and/or interact with magical items.
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Originally posted by Quale
Mythals like the Waymeet prove they could be used for other purposes.
Or like Dracorage. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 02 Sep 2012 : 00:07:38
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The Arcane Ages "rules" for mythal creation specifically require a minimum number of mages (elven high mages).
An important detail is that one of the creators must die in the process, somehow sacrificing or transferring his life to spark or sustain a living, sentient force within the mythal itself.
I couldn't find any reference to Ioulaum's mythals. Lefeber's Weave Mythal was a 10th or 11th level ("epic level") Netherese spell, and I (mistakenly?) recall that it had some exotic requirements and a limited duration. I would expect that if Netherese arcanists used any mythal-like magic at all, it would be anchored or powered by their mythallars - and, if so, it might be possible for any of these long-dormant mythals to reactivate in the presence of an active (Shadovar) mythallar. Then again, mythallars are known to create a field which somehow disrupts or interferes with "natural" magical energies, so it's just as possible that - aside from one or two Archwizards - the Netherese had no interest in organic-mythal magic at all.
Having said all that, mythals appear to litter the Realms and - at least as of 3E onwards - they're apparently easy to create because so many NPCs (who don't even need to be spellcasters!) are now capable of wielding epic-level magics.
Additionally - the elven character who repaired and modified Evereska's mythal in the Return of the Archwizards trilogy is proof that already operational mythals can be repurposed, although it's true that he was essentially an elven high mage. Still, it's always possible that the Netherese (or really anyone) could claim ownership of a reprogrammed mythal. |
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infoleather
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 05:24:42
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| Mythal through advanced magic is creating numerous ceremonies, right? Therefore, this of their own, can be certain advantages. A group including holders. |
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Was there a mortal capable of creating a Mythal
