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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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 Posted - 27 Nov 2012 : 18:44:56
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Here's a new link; the one you posted doesn't go anywhere.
I think it's interesting that they're running adventures along with this Sundering. That's more in line with the ToT than the 3e or 4e transitions.
honkin' big link
edit: Oh, and good catch of the good catch! (and if a mod wants to shrink that link down to something manageable, I'd be grateful; I can't seem to get the coding to work properly today)
Mod edit: Cast shrinky links.  |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Nov 2012 : 20:37:34
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Nov 2012 : 20:40:51
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And on actually having a chance to read the link, it looks like a smaller version of Mysteries of the Moonsea. 64 pages on Baldur's Gate, and a 32 page adventure. That's... a worrying ratio. Though there's always the hope that it could turn out like the Shadowdale book in the 2e FR boxed set, which has one of my favorite 2e adventures on top of an in-depth look of Shadowdale.
The Gate's a whole lot bigger than the dale, though. Hmm. Well, we'll see. It's actually a hybrid, not a full sourcebook or adventure. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2012 : 21:19:17
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
And on actually having a chance to read the link, it looks like a smaller version of Mysteries of the Moonsea. 64 pages on Baldur's Gate, and a 32 page adventure. That's... a worrying ratio. Though there's always the hope that it could turn out like the Shadowdale book in the 2e FR boxed set, which has one of my favorite 2e adventures on top of an in-depth look of Shadowdale.
The Gate's a whole lot bigger than the dale, though. Hmm. Well, we'll see. It's actually a hybrid, not a full sourcebook or adventure.
64 pages on one city is a goodly amount, and it's certainly a lot more than any one specific location -- other than Waterdeep -- got in 3E or 4E.
I know there was a lot of commotion when the Mysteries of the Moonsea book came out, and I'll agree that it wasn't the ideal mix. But I'll also note that there was still some good lore in there, and in fact the book gave me the hook I needed for one of my Lords of Waterdeep. I wasn't keen on the hybrid approach, but it was better than nothing... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 27 Nov 2012 : 23:30:28
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If they go mouse-type, it'll be great. Big fat 4E font and ... well ... ick. Back to scratching the surface if they don't go small.
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Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 01:59:56
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| Sounds neat, I wonder how WotC plans on collecting feedback from groups running it. Also, rumor has that this is going to be an edition neutral product, anyone know if that is accurate? That sounds pretty cool. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 04:42:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
And on actually having a chance to read the link, it looks like a smaller version of Mysteries of the Moonsea. 64 pages on Baldur's Gate, and a 32 page adventure. That's... a worrying ratio. Though there's always the hope that it could turn out like the Shadowdale book in the 2e FR boxed set, which has one of my favorite 2e adventures on top of an in-depth look of Shadowdale.
The Gate's a whole lot bigger than the dale, though. Hmm. Well, we'll see. It's actually a hybrid, not a full sourcebook or adventure.
64 pages on one city is a goodly amount, and it's certainly a lot more than any one specific location -- other than Waterdeep -- got in 3E or 4E.
I know there was a lot of commotion when the Mysteries of the Moonsea book came out, and I'll agree that it wasn't the ideal mix. But I'll also note that there was still some good lore in there, and in fact the book gave me the hook I needed for one of my Lords of Waterdeep. I wasn't keen on the hybrid approach, but it was better than nothing...
And, to be fair, the rules-related information and campaign tidbits supporting the various sections of the book tended to offer up some useful lore as well. Or at least I thought so. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 09:44:08
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| Neverwinter... Menzo... Baldur's Gate. Not a big fan of 'city books' (I rarely run anything urban). Plus $35 for 96 pages sounds a bit pricey to me. I'll pass. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 15:29:38
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Originally posted by Markustay
Neverwinter... Menzo... Baldur's Gate. Not a big fan of 'city books' (I rarely run anything urban). Plus $35 for 96 pages sounds a bit pricey to me. I'll pass.
It doesn't seem pricy to me. The 2008 Scepter Tower of Spellgard adventure (96 pages) cost 25 dollars. And it was just an adventure. While this product alone comes with a city book (64 pages), an adventure (32 pages), a fold-out DM screen, and some type of folder (???)
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 15:52:55
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| I like the fact that there's going to be an adventure, but I worry about the quality. How many pages was CotSQ again? |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 16:33:49
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| Support the ship, bail it before it sinks! Ed is an author...so it can't be not worth considering! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2012 : 18:31:56
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| I had a longer post here, but decided this is not the time or place for negativity. Suffice it to say its just not my 'cup of tea'. For someone wanting to run something in Baldur's Gate (myself included), then I would say "go for it". |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Nov 2012 : 02:25:53
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| I wonder if the "Adventure" is going to be published with a specific edition or a multi-platform approach? As far as I know, D&D:Next isn't scheduled unti a 2014 start. That might be interesting though, having an adventure loose enough to incorporate varying editions. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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2450 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2012 : 05:49:07
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But they're also tying it to the Sundering, which we still don't know what is, except that it's bringing the 4e era to a close. Which would seem to make it hard to make it edition neutral.
Also, there just aren't as many pages for them to do that in than there were in, say Menzo. Hard enough to squeeze a major city into that page count in any age, let alone all. Ah well, I'll at least track it down in a bookstore and thumb through it, but it'd have to be really special for me to buy it. |
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Vaeldroth
Acolyte
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Posted - 16 May 2013 : 19:01:12
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I'm hoping this is edition neutral, though wasn't there something in the BG2 era that covered the city in that much depth? Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II? I'm more interested in this as a new adventure I can run for my group, as they'll probably be making their way to the Sword Coast at some point. The problem with adapting 4e adventures is that they lack the story description present in prior editions as far as outcomes and generic detail not tied to a combat scenario.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 May 2013 : 23:21:20
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Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate II doesn't even touch the city of Baldur's Gate. As I understand it, the name was to tie it to the computer game.
(And Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate is part of the game manual for the game Baldur's Gate, and doesn't go into the same depth of lore as the other Volo's Guides. I don't own the game, but I did find a legal download of the manual online somewhere, several years ago.) |
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Vaeldroth
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2013 : 05:20:05
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| Oh right, I had forgotten the BGII book was about Amn, not BG - which makes sense as it covered Athkatla iirc. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 17 May 2013 : 11:52:47
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| am I the only one that noticed they're encouraging buying it with the "original" dungeons & dragons roleplaying game? So, I'm thinking rules prior to 1st edition AD&D (and not basic). It shows thin, little handbooks that say "blackmoor" and "eldritch wizardry" and "Gods, Demigods, and Heroes". |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 May 2013 : 17:34:55
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am I the only one that noticed they're encouraging buying it with the "original" dungeons & dragons roleplaying game? So, I'm thinking rules prior to 1st edition AD&D (and not basic). It shows thin, little handbooks that say "blackmoor" and "eldritch wizardry" and "Gods, Demigods, and Heroes".
That is an Amazon thing not WotC.
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Lily M Green
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 30 May 2013 : 02:09:58
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| Hmmm, I wonder... <wild speculation><spoiler>at the end of the second Dark Alliance video game there's a cutscene to an unidentified yet distinctly Mulhorandi god with his sights firmly set on Baldur's Gate. Given that this game's story arc was never completed and Mulhorand and it's pantheon disappeared with the advent of the Spellplague (&4E) I'm wondering if someone somewhere thought it a good opportunity to complete the story and 'return' the pantheon?</wild speculation></spoiler> Obviously I have a vested interest here as it's always irked me that story was never completed ;) and of course it depends on how important WotC consider the pantheon and the land to the Realms Setting given they're a 'borrowed' set of gods. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 03 Jun 2013 : 16:02:38
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Hmm . . . Storm over Baldur's Gate, Storm over Neverwinter . . . coincidence?
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Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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lordsknight185
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 06:34:32
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| SO your saying its going to be like an encounter adventure...and we can either use it for 4e or use the playtest conversion rules to play it with Next? >.>; |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 14:32:02
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So rather then a spellplague, we now get spellstorms?
Will they be changing any other words come 5e? {insert snarky smiley}
I guess someone in advertising finally realized there is absolutely nothing positive about the word 'plague'. Sadly, they could have just asked any ignorant medieval peasant.
Now STORM... thats evocative. Its a elemental fury that creates both negative and positive side-effects. It brings both energy and life-giving rains, it destroys and it renews. Its a much better 'buzz word'... I approve.  |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 22:47:03
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Took them long enough to upgrade their fantasy terms to something "cooler" sounding.
From the product page on Wizards.com: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Product.aspx?x=dnd/products/dndacc/45370000
It's a similar gazetteer + adventure format as the Daggerford/Dragonspear Castle adventure exclusive to GenCon, possibly minus the DnD Next preview. |
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Ze
Learned Scribe
Italy
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 23:02:13
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Hm, so Murder in Baldur's Gate features the Lord of Murder on its cover.
I must admit that I had totally missed that reference.
Still, it does make sense, being BG. And it might help to rake up some late BG Enhanced Edition fans, you never know...
Help me guys, please - my knowledge of 4E is very limited, but Bhaal is not officially back yet, or is he? I've seen obscure references to the Bhaalspawn here and there in late canon, but I don't remember a proper comeback yet, right?
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lordsknight185
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2013 : 13:02:53
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Hm, so Murder in Baldur's Gate features the Lord of Murder on its cover.
I must admit that I had totally missed that reference.
Still, it does make sense, being BG. And it might help to rake up some late BG Enhanced Edition fans, you never know...
Help me guys, please - my knowledge of 4E is very limited, but Bhaal is not officially back yet, or is he? I've seen obscure references to the Bhaalspawn here and there in late canon, but I don't remember a proper comeback yet, right?
No proper comeback YET, he has still been dead since 1358. But the sundering is supposed to be a big reset reviving several gods...we wont know until everything begins in august. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Jun 2013 : 14:38:48
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quote:
Originally posted by Ze
Hm, so Murder in Baldur's Gate features the Lord of Murder on its cover.
I must admit that I had totally missed that reference.
Still, it does make sense, being BG. And it might help to rake up some late BG Enhanced Edition fans, you never know...
Help me guys, please - my knowledge of 4E is very limited, but Bhaal is not officially back yet, or is he? I've seen obscure references to the Bhaalspawn here and there in late canon, but I don't remember a proper comeback yet, right?
The cover depicts the symbol used for the deceased Lord of Murder. It doesn't show the actual deity in physical form. There may be a Cult of Murder in the city causing mischief or someone using the symbol to throw off the authorities. I can't enlarge the cover to get a better view of it. Somehow the symbol looks slightly different to me. |
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(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 15 Jun 2013 : 14:33:22
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I was excited to hear from Ed Greenwood's liason, The Hooded One, that the lore material in this book was edition neutral.
Unfortunately, from the description of the book I see now, it has me concerned. It says the city as it stands in the Sundering era. Which is not edition neutral. The adventure should be Sundering era, but I wanted the lore to be edition neutral (with sprinklings of THIS was around pre-Spellplague and this is around post-Spellplague) but now I will have to flip through it when it comes out before supporting this with my wallet.
A download, or a one to two page spread, on what lore material is in which edition would be recommended to them if they continue doing supplements like this.
I have a group currently in Baldur's Gate and more lore is always welcome. I just hope it is still useful to me being set in the Sundering (whereas mine is set in 1359 D.R. right after the Time of Troubles) |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Jun 2013 : 20:16:48
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I am liking the direction the artwork is taking.
The cover artwork for this adventure/sourcebook and for Ghosts of Dragonspear Castle are awesome. |
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