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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:45:12
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
And remember, Matt James said it best:
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...this site is decidedly anti-4e.
With all due respect to Matt James, who is of course entitled to his opinion, my experience here, and judging from many of the other scribes posting in this thread, suggests otherwise.
He is, however, on the mark with the following:-
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It's best to decide if you want to pick up some of the content, read it for yourself, and figure out if you like it or not.
Which I've also heard from some of the Mods as well. And Alaundo. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:45:12
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D-brane, you are incorrect in all regards, especially regarding your latest inflammatory remark directed at Matt James.
Don't get me wrong, I love the faux-didactic approach. However, your "arguments" fail on all logical fronts.
Which I'm sure makes you feel well-at-home in Candlekeep.
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:49:05
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
D-brane, you are incorrect in all regards, especially regarding your latest inflammatory remark directed at Matt James.
So asking you to prove your claims is incorrect?
Regarding the bit I posted about Matt James... that was uncalled for. And I've since provided a more considerate reply.
See, that's what you're supposed to do at Candlekeep. Consider the feelings and opinions of others.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the faux-didactic approach. However, your "arguments" fail on all logical fronts.
Prove it. Again.
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Which I'm sure makes you feel well-at-home in Candlekeep.
Hey, I'm active on Wizards too, which is pro-4e. And I love that site as well. So what does that say about my also liking Candlekeep? |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:52:07
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All of my claims have been proven to the most rigorous standard.
In addition, all of of your arguments have been dis-proven. |
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ksu_bond
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
214 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:53:17
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Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of the 4e Realms. That being said I do own several of the 4e novels (with the intention of reading them, unfortunately my que is a bit full at the moment) and many of the source books, and I am currently trying to find ways of adding the elements I like into my home campaign (Spellscars and Dragon-Descended) without all the RSEs and the fast forward in the timeline.
With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that many of the more well versed scribes here, mods or not, have not kept up with the changes of the Realms over time. This doesn't mean, that they will own or have thoroughly read absolutely everything...but I'm sure they've read reviews and at least skimmed all of the material when at a bookstore or their LGS. Just because someone may not like or currently campaign in the latest version of the Realms, doesn't mean they are totally ignorant of the changes. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:55:24
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It is the height of foolishness to offer a review of a author's work without actually reading the work.
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Originally posted by ksu_bond
Admittedly, I'm not a huge fan of the 4e Realms. That being said I do own several of the 4e novels (with the intention of reading them, unfortunately my que is a bit full at the moment) and many of the source books, and I am currently trying to find ways of adding the elements I like into my home campaign (Spellscars and Dragon-Descended) without all the RSEs and the fast forward in the timeline.
With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that many of the more well versed scribes here, mods or not, have not kept up with the changes of the Realms over time. This doesn't mean, that they will own or have thoroughly read absolutely everything...but I'm sure they've read reviews and at least skimmed all of the material when at a bookstore or their LGS. Just because someone may not like or currently campaign in the latest version of the Realms, doesn't mean they are totally ignorant of the changes.
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 04:59:09
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
All of my claims have been proven to the most rigorous standard.
What rigorous standard? Provide proof.
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In addition, all of of your arguments have been dis-proven.
Firstly, you mean disproved. And where have they been disproved? Just saying they've been disproven/disproved doesn't make it so. You actually need to disprove them. Much like how I've already disproved your above claims earlier.
That's how you do it. |
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ksu_bond
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
214 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:01:04
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
It is the height of foolishness to offer a review of a author's work without actually reading the work.
Agreed...but I never said anything about reviewing anything without reading it.
I have never once criticized or complimented a 4e novel, or any other book for that matter, that I have not read.
But I have read enough of the 4e gaming material, even ran a Game Day event at my LGS when 4e came out, to know that I do not like the 4e Realms, and I will not apologize to you or any of the authors for my opinion of the changes that were made. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:17:03
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D-Brane, please review the thread above.
I have disproved your claims. You claims have been disproven by the most rigorous standards. If this is unclear, please review the thread above. |
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:20:13
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
D-Brane, please review the thread above.
I reviewed it. Twice, just to be sure.
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I have disproved your claims. You claims have been disproven by the most rigorous standards. If this is unclear, please review the thread above.
No. You spoke a few words. I asked you to prove them. You didn't. You spoke similar words. I asked for proof again. And now you're still speaking a few words without any proof to back what you're saying.
So, again, I'm asking for proof. Please. Prove what you're saying. If it's all as you claim, then providing the proof should be fairly easy. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:22:07
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That is correct. I have disproven your claims thoroughly. Or, as you may prefer, thoroughly disproven your claims.
If this is somehow in doubt, please review the thread, above.
(For the third time.)
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
D-Brane, please review the thread above.
I reviewed it. Twice, just to be sure.
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I have disproved your claims. You claims have been disproven by the most rigorous standards. If this is unclear, please review the thread above.
No. You spoke a few words. I asked you to prove them. You didn't. You spoke similar words. I asked for proof again. And now you're still speaking a few words without any proof to back what you're saying.
So, again, I'm asking for proof. Please. Prove what you're saying. If it's all as you claim, then providing the proof should be fairly easy.
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:37:25
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| If your proofs to my earlier queries are already evident in this thread, then please direct me to your replies that include them. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
35 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:46:36
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| Those proofs which pertain to your stated queries are in the thread above. |
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 05:49:36
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
Those proofs which pertain to your stated queries are in the thread above.
I must have missed them.
Which replies are you referring to? Because I'm still not reading any actual proofs included in your replies to my queries so far... |
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ksu_bond
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 06:15:36
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
All of my claims have been proven to the most rigorous standard.
To your most rigorous standard -- which is to say, none at all.
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
A better question... Why haven't the Mods taken direct action to correct the error of their ways by appointing additional Mods who:
1.) Actually play D&D
Since this site focuses more on the lore of the game setting than the rules, I fail to see how this would have any bearing.
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
2.) Actually review the current material
I have purchased and read all of the 4E FR printed game material. I'm sure, though, that you will find some way to discount this.
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
3.) Review current material prior to assessing it...
See above. Also see the many, many times I've told people to check something out for themselves.
Oh, wait, you can't do that. It doesn't fit into your narrative of an out-of-date, out-of-touch mod who is only interested in forcing his opinion on the site as a whole. Damn those pesky facts!
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
Classic Candlekeep:
Scribe: I absolutely hate Realms Product X-Y-Z...
I haven't actually read Product X-Y-Z...but I heard someone on Candlekeep talk trash about it, so you know... it's trash.
Ah, yes, you are so bothered by all of this behavior (that you refuse to prove even exists) that you keep coming back for more. That makes sense. 
Hmmm... You're decrying behavior you can't prove actually happens... So it must be something you heard. And by your standards, that makes it true. Gosh, I could have sworn I just saw someone complaining about people doing things like that... |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
35 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 06:39:19
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 07:22:59
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This is probably the funniest thread I have read at Candlekeep in years.
And it must be said, the person of many names is doing a better job of showing the moderators and Candlekeep in a good light than any 4th edition-haters ever could.
Oh, and by the all edition mod logic he presents here the site needs a conservative 1st ed. mod too. Any volunteers? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 13:06:01
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
The Wooly Rupert, I understand why you are being deceptive. It is deceptive.
Yeah, using those verifiable facts is so deceptive! You just can't trust someone who tells you the truth, especially when you can look it up for yourself! |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
35 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 13:37:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I have purchased and read all of the 4E FR printed game material. I'm sure, though, that you will find some way to discount this.
I love how you try to subtlety hedge this comment by relying on an archaic form of "print". 
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
3.) Review current material prior to assessing it...
See above. Also see the many, many times I've told people to check something out for themselves.
Oh, wait, you can't do that. It doesn't fit into your narrative of an out-of-date, out-of-touch mod who is only interested in forcing his opinion on the site as a whole. Damn those pesky facts!
Yes, see above for your failed attempt at being deceptive. Pesky facts!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 13:45:44
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Hmm, let's see, the majority of the source material for 4E is printed... At least one book has come out within the last year... And I have all of that material.
Yeah, so deceptive of me to refer to current material as current, or to refer to the majority of the material as proof I'm conversant with it.
Is that really the best you've got? Calling me a liar by narrowing the definitions as much as possible? |
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Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 01 Aug 2013 13:47:09 |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 13:58:39
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Incorrect. You are being deceptive by narrowing the definition of "printed" material to that content which is available on paper; the majority (the VAST majority) of Realms content published after 2007 (i.e. the last six years) is digital content.
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 14:10:04
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I don't get the point you're trying to make. AFAIK, a moderator only needs to be impartial in judging whether posts are written accordingly to the CoC or not. Even someone who barely knows about the main subject of a forum could moderate the discussions in it.
The primary function of mods doesn't consist of providing info about that or reviewing products, being capable of it is only a plus.
NOTE: I'm not saying that our mods can't do that, I'm just talking about a generic context here. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 14:22:02
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My point, Irrenan, is that the coercive nature of the Mod staff here would be best mitigated by replacing The Wooly Rupert with a new, impartial, Moderator.
As this will not occur, and the coercive, divisive moderation by the Wooly Rupert will continue, a compromise that will best serve Candlekeep is promotion of one the sites better scribes, like Jeremy Grenemeyer of Diffan, to the mod staff. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 14:42:35
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You were talking about how Wooly or Sage had to review and read all the Realmslore published in order to be able to mod, which is clearly not needed. As I said, even someone who is clueless about the FR could make sure that the CoC is respected.
Also, nobody tries to coerce people into anything here. |
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Learned Scribe
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 14:47:32
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Close. I said that content should be reviewed prior to assessing it.
You are incorrect regarding the role that coercion plays at Candlekeep, which is further evidence of just how pernicious The Wooly Rupert's moderation has been to the site. |
Edited by - Learned Scribe on 01 Aug 2013 14:48:20 |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3811 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 15:03:59
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Originally posted by Learned Scribe
Close. I said that content should be reviewed prior to assessing it.
Not only that. You said that mods who play D&D and review recently published material are needed. Moderating has nothing to do with it. It could be possible to appoint people dedicated to providing info and opinion on recent releases, but since many people (including the ones you suggest) do so, having ''official'' charges would change nothing.
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You are incorrect regarding the role that coercion plays at Candlekeep, which is further evidence of just how pernicious The Wooly Rupert's moderation has been to the site.
I know what I read, and coercion was in none of the topic I've browsed. Also, your saying that I am not able to recognize coercion (which is what your statement about it playing a ''role'' at CK implies) could be easily received as an inflammatory offense to my intelligence. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 15:07:45
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Well, to make you happy we should really get a moderator here that doesn't care about the game or the setting and only moderates according to how people act and post no matter who they are. That would be fun for you, eh?
And strangely enough throughout the years I don't think me and Wooly ever really agreed that much on anything and despite of that we have never had any issues at all. Its wonderful what you can do with a basic manners isn't it?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2013 : 15:16:52
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| You posted while I was writing Irennan, my comment was to Mr. Happy above. |
No Canon, more stories, more Realms. |
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