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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

- They said they respect the old lore, and tried to write the books accordingly.

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

- They said they respect the old lore, and tried to write the books accordingly.

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

A company will say anything to get you to buy their new hot release.

The truth doesn't even get a first thought never mind a second.

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

Aurora's Whole Realms catalog was mentioned.

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Originally posted by Old Man Harpell

Given that WotC has experienced a rather...dramatic...decrease in employed personnel, it's probably a hit or miss proposition at this point. It depends on whether there's anyone left who both knows and appreciates the Realms.

Although...if they brought in Sire Greenwood to edit and gave him veto powers...things would look a lot more hopeful.

- OMH

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Originally posted by Gary Dallison

If it were about a company that had never misrepresented the truth or treated its customers badly (withdrawing access to products already paid for, the whole OGL debacle, etc), then yes I would agree that I am being overly negative.

However, when dealing with a company like wotc, which has repeatedly proven it lacks ethics and will do anything to increase its profit margin, all I am doing is reminding people about its previous bad behaviour so that they are forewarned on the likely outcome of any upcoming activities by wotc.

A community service, reminding people to remember and learn from the past.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I mean, hell, I was just talking the other day about getting screwed out of access to pdfs I'd paid for ...

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

- They said they respect the old lore, and tried to write the books accordingly.

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"Won't believe til I see" and all that.

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- They said they respect the old lore, and tried to write the books accordingly.

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You've been around long enough to know that what Wizbro says is always a matter of current convenience. Either to promote some new products or to damage control after recent products. How many retcons of retcons have there been now?

Forgotten Realms is a brand. When the brand generates revenue it is indeed respected and the old lore is curated with great care. When the brand is too much work then the old baggage is overwritten away.

Put another way, the latest-and-greatest lore is about who's buying it. Older players see the new stuff as childish vandalization. Newer players see the old stuff as stuffy obsolete grognardia. Wizbro has plenty of people and departments who make decisions about who they're trying to sell the product to, thus what kind of product it will end up being and how much (or how little) respect it has for long-established lore.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

Back to that reddit article. So, as thought, focus is pretty much still the sword coast. Will wait to see if there's some updates on interior lands (or Abeir, but highly doubt that). I did find it interesting that the "current date" is going to be 1501 though. That's at least 10 years after the SCAG, correct? I forget what the official date was there (sometimes between 1487 and 1491 IIRC). Its enough time that the second sundering "afterquakes" should have stopped though, and I would hope that we'd have some definitive answers to things like "did Laerakond stay"/"what's the overall shape of the world's continents", etc.... but I honestly don't see it happening.

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- They said they respect the old lore, and tried to write the books accordingly.

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"Won't believe til I see" and all that.

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Originally posted by Ayrik

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

- They said they respect the old lore, and tried to write the books accordingly.

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You've been around long enough to know that what Wizbro says is always a matter of current convenience. Either to promote some new products or to damage control after recent products. How many retcons of retcons have there been now?

Forgotten Realms is a brand. When the brand generates revenue it is indeed respected and the old lore is curated with great care. When the brand is too much work then the old baggage is overwritten away.

Put another way, the latest-and-greatest lore is about who's buying it. Older players see the new stuff as childish vandalization. Newer players see the old stuff as stuffy obsolete grognardia. Wizbro has plenty of people and departments who make decisions about who they're trying to sell the product to, thus what kind of product it will end up being and how much (or how little) respect it has for long-established lore.

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I completely agree. They said that in the panel, and 5 minutes later were saying in a video that the Purple Dragons Knights will have amethyst dragons because (and I quote) "there’s talk about whether the Purple Dragon is a historical dragon, something more recent, or a melding of the two...", which for me was hilarious, because of its contradicting nature with what they said in the panel.

But as Wooly said, the books haven't been released yet, so we don't truly know if they are going to fumble it or not. So, I'm waiting and trusting in their words until evidence proves the contrary.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

Back to that reddit article. So, as thought, focus is pretty much still the sword coast. Will wait to see if there's some updates on interior lands (or Abeir, but highly doubt that). I did find it interesting that the "current date" is going to be 1501 though. That's at least 10 years after the SCAG, correct? I forget what the official date was there (sometimes between 1487 and 1491 IIRC). Its enough time that the second sundering "afterquakes" should have stopped though, and I would hope that we'd have some definitive answers to things like "did Laerakond stay"/"what's the overall shape of the world's continents", etc.... but I honestly don't see it happening.

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In the video I talk about, they mentioned that that was their intent. However, they mentioned that in regards to "which gods returned and which gods don't". The map they previewed shows part of Akanūl, specifically Brassune, that was an Abeiran city transported to the area during the Spellplague. However, the rest of the map was more like the old 2e maps, even with names for places, like Velprintalar instead of Veltalar. So, we don't know? I won't be surprised if Akanūl and Tymanther are the only places remaining from 4e.

As for Returned Abeir/Laerakond, this guide is about Faerūn, so they are in no necessity of answering that.

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I mean, hell, I was just talking the other day about getting screwed out of access to pdfs I'd paid for ...

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A bit off-topic (and perhaps a bit of a dangerous topic?) but I routinely convert all those other formats into PDFs and I routinely strip out all the DRM.

I'm willing to pay for PDF products, no problem with that.

I'm not willing to pay for the padlocks they impose onto those products. Especially when they rudely refuse to give me a copy of the key.

And I'm not willing to buy books which will expire after some certain date or which only let me open them a certain number of times or which need to call the mothership each time I read them. (Especially when, years later, that mothership will crash or fly away to some other corporate owner who has different ideas than I already agreed to when I bought the product.)

Those PDFs are for my own personal use. So I'll personally use them any way, any time, on any device I choose.

I'm not flying that ugly flag on my ship. But I do choose to steer it with my own maps and compass.

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Originally posted by Azar

I do not understand being a pro bono advocate for a corporation that has regularly engaged in dishonest business practices while simultaneously defecating over the body of work that brought them the big bucks.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

I did find it interesting that the "current date" is going to be 1501 though. That's at least 10 years after the SCAG, correct? I forget what the official date was there (sometimes between 1487 and 1491 IIRC).

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Originally posted by Athreeren

You can find timelines of the different 5E resources, and although WOTC has been cagey about giving official years to their modules, there are clues that show time has been passing (some of them contradictory...). On his channel, Ed keeps mentioning that the current year is 1500, so this is really consistent with canon.

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Originally posted by Werthead

SCAG/5E began in 1487. A lot of the adventures seem to take place around 1492. Baldur's Gate III I believe takes place in 1493. The most recent previous date was Acquisitions Incorporated in 1496. So 1501 makes sense. I believe the latest Drizzt novel also took place in 1501, and there are indications the movie took place not long before that, given the time needed to return Neverwinter to being a prosperous city rather than a half-destroyed ruin as it was in early 5E.

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Originally posted by Lord Karsus


-An casualty of 4e/The Spellplague/4.5/5e/whatever that doesn't get talked about enough. Obviously, the timejump was a major, major, major issue, but once that happened obviously, the setting kind of getting "timelocked" from a lack of novels/sourcebooks/other resources definitely hurt it. Part of the fun of the world was that (even including RSEs), the timeline plodded on and stuff happened on a pretty micro level thanks to those regular product releases.

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Originally posted by Athreeren

You can find timelines of the different 5E resources, and although WOTC has been cagey about giving official years to their modules, there are clues that show time has been passing (some of them contradictory...). On his channel, Ed keeps mentioning that the current year is 1500, so this is really consistent with canon.

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
What are you talking about? 4e had a lot of novels and the timeline was pretty much defined from 1479 to 1482 DR, with a lot of micro level events (as you call them) across all Faerūn. The lack of novels, and thus of a living setting, happened exclusively in 5e, and was done on purpose that way by Crawford and his team, because he genuinely believes that too much lore is detrimental for the imagination of the DMs (he said so in a couple of interviews).

I know people here hates 4e, and you are entitled to hate it if you want. But this campaign of misinformation and of putting all the blame of the things you dislike on 4e out of hate has become tiresome after 10 years of it...

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