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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2025 : 12:57:11
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Disclaimer: Please, no arguing over the alignment system and all. If you must gripe about it, do so elsewhere.
With that out of the way...
So I was curious how one could explain such a class and alignment would fit in the Realms. Some ideas I had.
Race
Most likely would be Human or Dwarf (likely Shield Dwarf or Gold Dwarf), possibly Halfling (I'd wager you'd mostly see such a combo amongst the Strongheart Halflings) or Gnome (most likely Rock Gnome).
Background
Possible character backgrounds might include the following
- Royal agent
- Town/city locksmith
- Assassin-like character sent by the church of a deity of LG, NG or LN alignment
- Indiana Jones-esque character intent on liberating treasures for the sake of all civilization
Religion
If possible, I'd potentially see the following deities having a LG Rogue worshipping them:
- Lathander
- Moradin (if a Dwarf)
- Arvoreen, Cyrrollalee or Yondalla (if a Halfling)
- Baravar Cloakshadow or Garl Glittergold (if a Gnome)
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Any other ideas?
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Edited by - Galuf the Dwarf on 05 Sep 2025 01:20:41
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HighOne
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Sep 2025 : 17:01:38
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Like a white-hat hacker, a LG Rogue could be a security specialist, thief-proofing vaults, palaces, and homes.
A LG Rogue could also be a double-agent or informant who infiltrates thieves' guilds and other criminal organizations for the sake of bringing them down, like Donnie Brasco. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2025 : 23:29:14
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I don't see any problem with a Lawful Good Rogue. A Lawful Good THIEF is another thing...
A LG Rogue can do all sorts of Lawful and Good in the Realms; including stealing (from Orcs and such) as part of warfare.
Especially among Dwarves and Halflings, they would probably be protectors of their community instead of leaches on the work of others. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Sep 2025 : 04:50:32
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| 1E DMG offers the Scout (Thief subclass/variant) which can be any alignment. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1067 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2025 : 11:39:30
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Galuf,
Would you consider multiclassing with clerics and paladins to make shadowbane stalkers/inquisitors? Or do you prefer sticking strictly to rogue? In any case, I can easily picture LG rogues spying on behalf of governments, guilds and even temples with minimized risk of double-crossing. |
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eldritchq
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 05 Sep 2025 : 15:47:33
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| A LG Rogue could be Batman-esqe, assisting a town or city guard in bringing justice to folks who have bent laws or are causing chaos |
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
744 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2025 : 13:15:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
Galuf,
Would you consider multiclassing with clerics and paladins to make shadowbane stalkers/inquisitors? Or do you prefer sticking strictly to rogue?
The former is plausible for any player or DM who wants such. The latter is an option but not strictly necessary in this case.
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In any case, I can easily picture LG rogues spying on behalf of governments, guilds and even temples with minimized risk of double-crossing.
Another likely scenario. Rather folds into my idea of a "royal agent" or agent/assassin-type character of a church with similar alignment. |
Galuf's Baldur's Gate NPC stats: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8823
Galuf's 3.5 Ed. Cleric Domains: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14036
Galuf's Homebrew 4th Edition Races: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13787
Galuf's Homebrew Specialty Priest PrCs: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14353
Galuf's Forgotten Realms Heralds and Allies thread: forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8766 |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1067 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2025 : 16:46:26
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| For LG assassin-type rogues, perhaps Slayer of Domiel. My endorsement of Book of Exalted Deeds, however, is less than wholehearted. |
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Azar
Master of Realmslore
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Sep 2025 : 22:51:07
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Originally posted by Azar
Assassins are Evil.
Only the bad ones.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Trumm
Acolyte
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Posted - 07 Sep 2025 : 08:12:55
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Another option could be a redeemed thief (change of alignment). Whilst this is probably not the most ususal switch of alignments
and would require some significant turning point in the characters background, he would still retain all his rogue abilities. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1067 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2025 : 22:44:04
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Originally posted by Trumm
Another option could be a redeemed thief (change of alignment). Whilst this is probably not the most ususal switch of alignments
and would require some significant turning point in the characters background, he would still retain all his rogue abilities.
Rogues/Thieves of any edition had no alignment restrictions. To go further, when I discuss assassin n, I did not discuss 1E character class nor 3.x Prestige Class. I say when you knowingly target and individual or a community for pre-meditated death, that is assassination. Is it evil? That is a Session Zero question |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2025 : 23:46:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
quote:
Originally posted by Azar
Assassins are Evil.
Only the bad ones.
Heh. There's your LN professional assassin.
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A thumb pressed against two fingers, and the lean figure of Dr Cruces, head tutor, looming over
the startled boys. 'We do not murder,' he said. It was a soft voice; the doctor never raised his
voice, but he had a way of giving it the pitch and spin that could make it be heard through a
hurricane. 'We do not execute. We do not massacre. We never, you may be very certain, we never
torture. We have no truck with crimes of passion or hatred or pointless gain. We do not do it for
a delight in inhumation, or to feed some secret inner need, or for petty advantage or for some
cause or belief; I tell you, gentlemen, that all these reasons are in the highest degree suspect.
Look into the face of a man who will kill you for a belief and your nostrils will snuff up the
scent of abomination. Hear a speech declaring a holy war and, I assure you, your ears should catch
the click of evil's scales and the dragging of its monstrous tail over the purity of the language.
'No, we do it for the money.
'And, because we above all must know the value of a human life, we do it for the a great deal of money.
'There can be few cleaner motives, so shorn of all pretence.
'Nil mortifi, sine lucre. Remember. No killing without payment.'
He paused for a moment.
'And always give a reciept,' he added.
-- Pyramids by Terry Pratchett, of course
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