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Gellion
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  06:18:51  Show Profile  Visit Gellion's Homepage Send Gellion a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
We all know that Arcane spellcasters are capable of causing lots of havoc, but what about Clerics and Druids? What is the ultimate showing of their power? Calling down an avatar of their god? Or something else?

"Paladine, you see the evil that surrounds me! You have been witness to the calamities that have been the scourge of Krynn... You must see now that this doctrine of balance will not work! I can sweep evil from this land. Destroy the ogre races. Bring the wayward humans into line! Find new homelands far away for the dwarves and the kender and the gnomes, those races not of your creation... I demand that you give me, too, the power to drive away the shadows of evil that darken the land!"- THE REIGN OF ISTAR, Tales IV

Wood Elf Ranger
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  07:23:51  Show Profile  Visit Wood Elf Ranger's Homepage Send Wood Elf Ranger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Storm of Vengeance is one of my favorite Cleric/Druid spells that can cause quite a bit of havoc/damage.

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Edited by - Wood Elf Ranger on 11 Oct 2004 07:24:39
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DDH_101
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  07:30:41  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The ultimate showing of power? Hmm... it depends on what deity. After all, some gods are generous with their power and are willing to give some to their followers (ex. Mystra making chosens) while others like Shar is very selfish and wouldn't even give a sliver of her divinity to her followers.

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I agree with Wood Elf Ranger. The Storm of Vengeance is a pretty nasty spell, killing off all the weaker ones trapped in the area and leaving the rest with a plague.

But like you had said, calling down an avatar is pretty big stuff. I don't think I've read of mortals calling for their god and him/her actually showing to save their hides, other than the time an avatar of Lathander came down and destroyed Sammaster.

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Edited by - DDH_101 on 11 Oct 2004 07:34:17
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Wood Elf Ranger
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  07:43:10  Show Profile  Visit Wood Elf Ranger's Homepage Send Wood Elf Ranger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Didn't Tzirik, a very high level cleric of Vhaeraun (and his Chosen if I remember correctly), call down Vhaeraun himself in Condemnation? At the very least he opened a portal for Vhaeraun to come through. Tzirik had some other pretty awesome spells as well.

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Edited by - Wood Elf Ranger on 11 Oct 2004 07:49:17
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DDH_101
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  07:47:07  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, but that wasn't a call for aid. Vhaerun used his follower to open a portal so he could get to Lolth's domain.

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  08:15:07  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gellion

What is the ultimate showing of their power?
Acting as the focus for a deity's divine power. In some settings (not specifically FR) deities can temporarily channel a portion of their divine strength through the mortal frame of a particularly devout worshipper (unfortunately or fortunately, depending upon your point of view, the mortal is completely consumed in such an excersise of power and is immediately brought to the realm of his/her god for some "special" treatment) thus directly affecting elements or situations upon the Material Plane. However, this is strictly not just a cleric choice... and the deity must agree that such a display and usage of power is absolutely necessary.

In most cases, the deity in question usually seeks the counsel of powers on the higher rungs of the celestial hierarchy than themselves, about the use of such an ability.

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DDH_101
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Posted - 11 Oct 2004 :  17:06:01  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sage, didn't that happen in Evermeet with Queen Amlaruil's daughter when she fought that creature of Malar?

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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Oct 2004 :  15:22:23  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It may have been. I cannot recall, as it's been quite a while since I read Evermeet .

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Arteris
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Posted - 12 Oct 2004 :  18:49:20  Show Profile  Visit Arteris's Homepage Send Arteris a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, a few fav Clerical spells of mine are Flame Strike and Circle of Doom, and as far as having avatars called... Didnt it state in the Faiths and Pantheons that Shandakul every now and again will appear in avatar form to followers if they are lost and sometimes in extreme cases even fight beside them? I'd check but I dont have my books on me >_< maybe an older wiser sage could clarify on that little tidbit?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Oct 2004 :  19:32:34  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Arteris

Didnt it state in the Faiths and Pantheons that Shandakul every now and again will appear in avatar form to followers if they are lost and sometimes in extreme cases even fight beside them? I'd check but I dont have my books on me >_< maybe an older wiser sage could clarify on that little tidbit?



Indeed. The Helping Hand lives up to that moniker, often showing up to aid his followers. He likes to drop in on their campfires, and he's active in Myth Drannor.

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