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Kentinal
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 Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 10:39:31
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Well the odds were in the lizard's favor this time, it takes a lot of acid to cause discomfort.
Any way on to the next contest. Perhaps the Golen has the advantage in this contest. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Antareana
Seeker
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 16:52:22
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Iguana! yep, that's the lizard that describes that beast best 
sadly it won...
as for the Warforged Ninja and the drow Lich with the Iron golem... I can't decide... I don't like the idea of a Warforged going *ching* *bash* combined with a ninja and i don't like drow... and liches... too much stereotype, though the idea with the Iron goelm is nice  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 17:55:32
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Originally posted by Antareana
I don't like the idea of a Warforged going *ching* *bash* combined with a ninja
This warforged obviously has a decanter of endless WD-40.  |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 23:29:38
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Originally posted by Antareana
Iguana! yep, that's the lizard that describes that beast best
sadly it won...
as for the Warforged Ninja and the drow Lich with the Iron golem... I can't decide... I don't like the idea of a Warforged going *ching* *bash* combined with a ninja and i don't like drow... and liches... too much stereotype, though the idea with the Iron goelm is nice
Hopefully we will see a return of Girl Power as the Drow and her Golem crush the puny little ninja. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2005 : 23:46:22
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Originally posted by warlockco
Hopefully we will see a return of Girl Power as the Drow and her Golem crush the puny little ninja.
Well there appears to be nothing that prevents you from voting often, as long as your employer does not send you for drug test because you are making "sure cubey goes on to the next round" *wink*.
I still want to see Demon Paladin take the contest, which certainly is (or at least used to be) girl power. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Jul 2005 : 02:51:41
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| Someone needs to set up odds for each contestant to win the whole thing. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 15 Jul 2005 : 20:24:41
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| The drow Lich iron golem....3-1 against the warforged ninja... |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 10:51:20
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| Uhmm okay lets vote for the drow golem; "warforged ninja"? Can anyone explain me what the nine hells a warforged ninja is? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 14:19:41
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Originally posted by Thelonius Andrass
Uhmm okay lets vote for the drow golem; "warforged ninja"? Can anyone explain me what the nine hells a warforged ninja is?
warforged is a construct, ninja is just added class
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebds/20050627a
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ebds/20050711a&dcmp=ILC-RSSDND
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 15:37:09
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Someone needs to set up odds for each contestant to win the whole thing.
Been thinking about this though setting odds wothout stats or opinion polls makes it very hard to do.
Odds of winning the contest.
Tarrasque 3 - 1
Warforged Ninja 5 - 1
Jannys Shadowgaunt 4 - 1
Troll Berserker 10 - 1
Stone Giant Paladin 8 - 1
Succubus Paladin 5 - 2
Meepo 6 - 1
Might need to rethink handicapping , however the lizard is in good position to win however a few can take it out perhaps the lich or flying paladin.
Right now comments here inticate the lich has an edge over the warforged.
I perdict that the Stone Giant will take out the troll however I do not see either winning the next contest.
Which I believe will be with Succubus Paladin, which should be able to fly circles about Meepo.
I rate Meepo as having better odds then the Troll or giant because if he defeats the Flying Paladin it is because of name not talent.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 17:29:54
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originally posted by Kentinal
I rate Meepo as having better odds then the Troll or giant because if he defeats the Flying Paladin it is because of name not talent.
Well, it is a popularity contest. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
730 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 20:18:06
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Go succubus paladin!!!!!!  |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4693 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2005 : 21:36:23
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Originally posted by Thelonius Andrass
Go succubus paladin!!!!!!
Yes vote and vote right.
Vote live grrl power.
Vote often *wink*
Edit: A little seach of WotC site pointed me here http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=6628346
where in it is wtitten. " In addition, look for a return to the Fight Club, with stats provided for our two demons of the Creature Competition: Aishapra the Marilith Dervish, and Eludecia the Succubus Paladin."
So at least the flying Paladin has a name, however a seach of WotC website for the name currently provides no hits. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 16 Jul 2005 22:43:29 |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 20:55:38
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So far I am odds on, the Lich won.
Now troll vs. giant comences, I voted odds off just to be contray. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 20:27:46
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Odds of winning the contest.
Tarrasque 3 - 1
Warforged Ninja 5 - 1
Jannys Shadowgaunt 4 - 1
Troll Berserker 10 - 1
Stone Giant Paladin 8 - 1
Succubus Paladin 5 - 2
Meepo 6 - 1
Well still odds on, now Paladin vs, Paladin. Clearly not a battle to the death.
*Debates adjusting odds* In some ways of course we now know Warforged Ninja and Troll Berserker odd's on winner are. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4693 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 13:06:56
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It appears that the named doglike huminoid (that somehow becan dragon kin) has a lot of support over at WotC boards.
One thing to remember it is a popularity contest, not a battleto the death. I still support Eludecia and do believe her a better choice, but the other may be getting a lot of votes.
Some of the arguements against Eludecia is that 3.x has demons as always evil, thus Eludecia can not exist (or at least have Paladin classes), that her mount is not an animal or even a magical breast, but also a demon, that if Eludecia wins overall the adventure written will have to be for at least level 12.
As for always evil, the Lich has the same requirement however we know that good liches exist as well. So it follows the always evil does not always mean always. It follows that there can be good demons.
As for the mount. In 3.5 the mount is a summoned creature not like in older editions that an animal had to be found. The suculbus has ability to summon a Vock as a racial ability. The summon mount can actually be evil however subjected to the control and commands of the Paladin. It does not have to be good. Further the magical beast summoned might only look like a Vock as oposed to being an actual demon.
A level 12 adventure as oposed to dog faced at some unknown level, after all we do not know how many class levels were gained, holds no merit at all.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 19:09:38
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| Oh to the next round, though there appears to be a lot that now hate a certain Paladin. So far still odds on. Though it appears the Meepo supporters now are in favor the the lizard. Maybe they choose poorly, again. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 19:11:47
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Oh well went off odds, the lizard was defeated (I had rated chances a little better fir it then the lich).
Eludecia contends again, my odds on favorite for this match and overall contest. We will have to see.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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warlockco
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 18:28:10
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Odds on again.
Now the final contest.
Good vs. Evil
Vrock vs. Golem
living vs. undead |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 16 Aug 2005 18:28:58 |
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warlockco
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:22:45
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I can think of two way for a Succubus to be a Paladin
1) She put on a Helm of Opposite Alignment
CE is of cause the direct opposite of LG (The only alignment that supports paladins)
2) A LG Spell caster cast Sanctify the Wicked on the Succubus |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:38:19
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Actually there are many more ways this can occur. Magic is not required in all of them.
Born Evil Chaotic does not require one stay bith alignment. Life experience certainly can move alignment toward either law or good or both.
There of course are the Sineaters out there that offer a choice, however do not impose an alignment change. Consume Sins is Su ability.
Yes I know many have proplems with the idea of a redemned demon, however the ruleset permits alingment shifts to occur over time without magic or with it. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 06:42:29
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Actually there are many more ways this can occur. Magic is not required in all of them.
Born Evil Chaotic does not require one stay bith alignment. Life experience certainly can move alignment toward either law or good or both.
There of course are the Sineaters out there that offer a choice, however do not impose an alignment change. Consume Sins is Su ability.
Yes I know many have proplems with the idea of a redemned demon, however the ruleset permits alingment shifts to occur over time without magic or with it.
It is kinda funny how people are more acceptable of a Fallen Angel, then a Reformed Demon though. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 11:22:39
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Originally posted by warlockco
It is kinda funny how people are more acceptable of a Fallen Angel, then a Reformed Demon though.
Well, it could be argued that being good is more difficult. Thus, falling from good is more likely and believable than stepping away from evil. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 11:31:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by warlockco
It is kinda funny how people are more acceptable of a Fallen Angel, then a Reformed Demon though.
Well, it could be argued that being good is more difficult. Thus, falling from good is more likely and believable than stepping away from evil.
Explain that to the guys that created Knights of the Old Republic II, by the time I was able to create a lightsaber, I could be 100% with the Lightside of the Force (and this is with making some evil choices), but going the evil route, I was no where close to being 100% with the Darkside. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 14:45:00
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I just vote for the Succubi Paladin because she had the hotte... I mean, best picture of all the characters. :)
Plus, the Tarrasque is overrated...
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Aug 2005 : 20:46:02
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| Eludecia wins the day , so after all the odds making I did in the end I was odds on *wink* |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Creature Competition: Head-to-Head
