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                 iamunknown 
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                       Posted - 27 Jul 2005 :  05:39:14
                        
                        
                 
                        
                        
                      
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                       races of stone states that vergadain was one of moradains 8 children...demihuman deities states that before he was part of the mordinsamman he was the mulhorandi hod bes, the short father...which is true?
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                       Posted - 27 Jul 2005 :  06:28:58
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       Races of Stone is not Realmslore, also Races of Stone and the other books in the Races series contradict alot of the old lore regarding the demihuman gods.
  If you notice, there are several new gods, that have never been heard of before featured in those books, and several gods that have been around for years are gone. | 
                     
                    
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                 iamunknown 
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                       Posted - 27 Jul 2005 :  06:40:32
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  i apologise i listed the wrong book...i did not mean races of stone, i meant "races of faerun" -_-; ::feels stupid now:: | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 27 Jul 2005 :  08:36:22
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       quote: Originally posted by iamunknown
  i apologise i listed the wrong book...i did not mean races of stone, i meant "races of faerun" -_-; ::feels stupid now::
 
  
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  Worry not, iamunknown.  There are a vast amount of books of lore, it is easy to mistake one for the other, especially on a subject such as this.   I'm sure more scribes will be along soon to aid thee.   | 
                     
                    
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                      |  If there is a conflict, 95% of the time the newer source is used over the older source. | 
                     
                    
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                      |  through re-study and contemplation i believe i have discovered my flaw...demihuman dieties does not specifically state that he was bes before he was vergadain...so it is my oppinion that he is one of the 8 children, and soon after, as he is the trickster, decided to become bes for the mulhorandi...and since his cult sank he has just become vergadain full-time. (i am shamed to say i have not read the 3e faiths and pantheons, which would probobly give me more information) | 
                     
                    
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                      |  He was never and is not currently Bes.  Bes is an Egyptian/Muhorandi god that looked like a dwarf.  Vergadain took on Bes' name as an alias in Mulhorand after Bes died during the Orcgate Wars or some other period. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 02 Aug 2005 :  02:16:41
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                       quote: Originally posted by TomCosta
  He was never and is not currently Bes.  Bes is an Egyptian/Muhorandi god that looked like a dwarf.  Vergadain took on Bes' name as an alias in Mulhorand after Bes died during the Orcgate Wars or some other period.
 
  
  Thanks for the Clarification Tom, that sounds alot better. | 
                     
                    
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                       Posted - 02 Aug 2005 :  14:46:42
                        
                        
                 
                        
                      
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                      |  Yes i understand now...i cannot believe my lack of knowledge or my show of stupidity that i just did not get it... | 
                     
                    
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