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Kuje
Great Reader
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 Posted - 29 May 2006 : 03:30:53
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| The Sage and I are in agreement, which is why I blinked a few times when I read that passage and then went, what!? Well, that wasn't the phrase I used but Alaundo would hurt me if I posted what I actually exclaimed. :) |
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nb_nmare
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 10:49:19
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Originally posted by The Sage
rangers by their very "nature" (pun partially intended) are an independent and unconformist lot.
This is certainly true of most chaotic and many neutral aligned rangers (though it is also true of many chaotic and neutral aligned members of other classes), but what about those who are lawfully aligned? A lawful ranger could easily feel the need to belong to some form of organisation, as could many who are neutrally aligned.
EDIT: There are, of course, even a few organizations in the Realms that are primarily or exclusively made up of rangers, such as the Fellows of the Next Mountain, the Shields of Hope, and the Stalkers of the Silent Path. Most of them also perform duties which could be seen as "mundane", such as scouting, protecting caravans, and serving as bodyguards. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 16:10:07
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I don't know. Its just my opinion, but Cyric granting divine abilities to rangers doesn't seem like that most Faerun shattering bit of Realmslore ever introduced. If it doesn't work for you, I wouldn't use them, but for some reason this really doesn't really upset me.
Heck, the fact that rangers can be evil in 3rd edition bothered me more than this, so once I got past that, the rest is pretty easy to deal with. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 17:22:03
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I don't know. Its just my opinion, but Cyric granting divine abilities to rangers doesn't seem like that most Faerun shattering bit of Realmslore ever introduced. If it doesn't work for you, I wouldn't use them, but for some reason this really doesn't really upset me.
Whoa there,
I'm not upset or anything like that and nor did I say it was shattering lore. However, I was trying to figure out why a deity that isn't natureish in nature has rangers.
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Edited by - Kuje on 29 May 2006 17:22:49 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 May 2006 : 17:35:52
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Didn't mean to imply anything about your personal opinions there, I guess I should clarify. I'm just saying that in the grand scheme of things we have seen some introductions to Realmslore that really screamed "hit the brakes" to my way of thinking much moreso than Cyric having rangers, for example, the Eldreth Veluuthra getting spells from "nature."
Sorry if I came across too harsh. I guess I just filed this one under "could it happen, sure, is it likely, no" category in my mind. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 May 2006 : 01:22:08
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I'm just saying that in the grand scheme of things we have seen some introductions to Realmslore that really screamed "hit the brakes" to my way of thinking much moreso than Cyric having rangers...
I wouldn't have so much problem with it if there'd been something kind of explanation -- a particular note -- as to why a deity with no traditional nature/animal aspects in his/her portfolio is allowed rangers. I still probably wouldn't allow it given the house-rule I mentioned above... but at least it would have a proper in-game Realmslore explanation attached.
I suppose what was written in the FRCS about rangers sometimes choosing unusual deities as patrons is enough to support this... but, I don't know, that explanation seems somewhat lacking when you consider we *are* in fact talking about Cyric as a patron deity choice for rangers. That feels like kind of a stretch...
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 31 May 2006 : 00:22:19
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Didn't mean to imply anything about your personal opinions there, I guess I should clarify. I'm just saying that in the grand scheme of things we have seen some introductions to Realmslore that really screamed "hit the brakes" to my way of thinking much moreso than Cyric having rangers, for example, the Eldreth Veluuthra getting spells from "nature."
Sorry if I came across too harsh. I guess I just filed this one under "could it happen, sure, is it likely, no" category in my mind.
I agree with you here. I think any deity may have any kind of followers, since it has been noted often by FR authors that many deities are very "relaxed" with the way they grant spells. Thus, I see that "non-nature" deities might have rangers or druids as followers. Eric Boyd noted this also, when I asked him about the list of nature deities in FRCS (and Talona's absence from that list).
However, you must have a patron deity to receive spells (as Ed has noted here at Candlekeep many times), and thus the whole Eldreth Veluuthra "Hey, let's tap directly into Nature's Power - who need gods anyway?"-crap contradicts previously published Realmslore. Unless there IS a deity masquerading behind their newly discovered powers (Moander? Lloth?). |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2006 : 00:59:21
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
However, you must have a patron deity to receive spells (as Ed has noted here at Candlekeep many times), and thus the whole Eldreth Veluuthra "Hey, let's tap directly into Nature's Power - who need gods anyway?"-crap contradicts previously published Realmslore. Unless there IS a deity masquerading behind their newly discovered powers (Moander? Lloth?).
Just a note: Ed has answered this and it's a july 13, 2005 entry to me. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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