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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 22:44:19
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| Hmmm, interesting thread, but I find it interesting that noone even mentioned other members of the Faerunian pantheon. Granted, most are seen as "human" deities, but many aren't necessarily. Malar for instance is more bestial than human. Garagos would be another. The cold and dispassionate elemental lords. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 22:59:39
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| Malar and Garagos would SO not be appropriate to the Fey'ri. Remember, they are as arrogant, 'cultured,' and civilized, in their own twisted way, as Sun Elves. |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 20:38:56
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>>Malar and Garagos would SO not be appropriate to the Fey'ri. Remember, they are as >>arrogant, 'cultured,' and civilized, in their own twisted way, as Sun Elves.
Yeah, but I can see a 4 armed fey'ri warrior worshipping Garagos before I can see said same warrior worshipping Moander the sludge god. If there are any fey'ri druids, I could see them possibly turning to Malar.
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 20:45:42
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| Why would a Fey'ri even know about Garagos, who is now little more than a memory of a Netherese battle god 1,400 years defeated? |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 21:34:10
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Originally posted by GothicDan
It wasn't the Devil part that annoyed me (Malagard was not one), but rather the fact that he's BOTH.
The yugoloths are without an exception elitists and race-o-centric, and obssessed with purity. They created two new ENTIRE races of fiends JUST to get rid of non-Neutral Evil taints. Do you really think they'd LEGITIMATELY allow a LE-tainted lord to rise among their ranks? They outcasted Apomps for having a Chaotic taint, and he was a BAERNALOTH!
Hell. No. :)
That is soooo true...that bothered me too...and Yugoloths really don't have "lords", like the Baatezu and Tanar'ri do anyways...just the General of Ghenna and the Oinoloth (sp?  )
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 21:35:53
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| Yup. |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 22:17:26
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I think that it might be best to think of Malkizid as not so much a 'Loth lord but a 'Loth Mafia Don. (Don is a Italian word for lord, still).
Malkizid lives on the Bastion of Despair and Doom, a battle field for the Realm's Blood War. A perfect place for an exiled Devil lord and his armies. Also a place that troubled 'loths could come for safety if the offended the major players on the Blood Rift.
It is likely that Malkizid collected the 'loths by promising them protection from their enemies in exchange for service. Making sure to keep them in his constant control.
It is likely that Malkizid is thought of as a lord due to the numbers of 'loths that he collected or the power that he holds over them. Doesn't mean that the 'loths aren't thinking of rebelling, but they don't hold the power. They would be facing their enemies with the regular 'loths and the Devil armies of Malkizid as well as the 'loths that stay with him.
Just my two cents. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 22:18:37
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| The General and the Oinoloth would not allow this - at least, not without some manipulation going on behind the scenes. Malkazid would only be but a pawn. |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 23:05:07
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Originally posted by GothicDan
Why would a Fey'ri even know about Garagos, who is now little more than a memory of a Netherese battle god 1,400 years defeated?
Garagos was known as Targus in the days of Netheril, and his worship may have diminished since his defeat by Tempus, but he HAS survived and been worshipped through all these years, and thus he could hardly be considered "a memory of a defetated god". 
Enough ranks in Knowledge (Religion) and I don't see a reason why a Fey'ri wouldn't know about him. Another matter is why would a civilized Fey'ri worship a battle-mad and almost insane "human" god.
I have thought about introducing Moander into my campaign as a new "saviour" of elvenkind (I have blissfully ignored all the events in The Last Mythal series). To all elves, he/it appears as a elven high mage who either absorbed some of Moander's power in Dark Watch at the same moment when Finder slew the Old Moldy, or perhaps he absorbed/can tap into some of the backlash/energy of the high magic ritual (or mythal/other magic in Tsornyl's ruins) that bound the Creeping Evil into Tsornyl. Thus, he might appear as a very intriguing divine being to the Eldreth Veluuthra...  |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 23:25:11
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| I said "little more than." :) |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 19:15:33
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The Ghaunadaur reference in Races of Faerun aside I would have suggested either:
Kiaransalee - since I think the Fey'ri would have a significant thirst for vengeance and she doesn't always take drow form. Also there would be enough of them in one place crying out for vengeance that could attract her via her portfolio sense. Vhaeraun may be a second choice since vengeance is part of his portfolio now.
Mythrien Sarath (Dragon 251) - The Watcher over Mythals could be one they'd be interested in. I'm saying this with a large pinch of salt as well.
Personally, I don't really understand why the Fey'ri would worship Ghaunadaur. I think their gold elven haughtiness would have railed against such a deity. |
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Daemonfey Cleric of WHAT?
