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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 02:54:07
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Does anybody know if slavery is legal in Phlan? I know slavery is common in the Moonsea but I can't seem to find any mention of it in the FRCS or the 2E Moonsea Sourcebook.
Any help on this would be appreciated.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 03:18:32
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No, I don't think it is. The MotM WE may delve into this topic a little more though.
However, given the Slum Market itself, trading in slaves likely occurs... in secret. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 06:53:54
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| I dont think they'd be a slave population is Phlan as the church of Tyr is quite prominient in the city, the closest think to slavery in the city might be chain gangs of convicted criminals working for the city |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 07:20:12
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There might also, in my opinion, be a tradition for keeping humanoid slaves for hard labour and farm work given the proximity of Thar and the general acceptance of slavery in the region. I don't see the church of Tyr condoning this however, and the tradition would diminish as the gods followers grows on power. A conflict of older traditions and newer, that still is not settled.
Even if slave hunting and slave markets are not a part of the city, criminal slaves and prisoners of war may be a part of the city's history. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Canada
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 14:43:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I dont think they'd be a slave population is Phlan as the church of Tyr is quite prominient in the city, the closest think to slavery in the city might be chain gangs of convicted criminals working for the city
I totally agree with that...
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Originally posted by Jorkens
There might also, in my opinion, be a tradition for keeping humanoid slaves for hard labour and farm work given the proximity of Thar and the general acceptance of slavery in the region. I don't see the church of Tyr condoning this however, and the tradition would diminish as the gods followers grows on power. A conflict of older traditions and newer, that still is not settled.
Even if slave hunting and slave markets are not a part of the city, criminal slaves and prisoners of war may be a part of the city's history.
I don't think so, I imagine in Phlan there is a huge anti-humanoid sentiment considering the proximity of humanoid raiders in Thar (how many Phlanites lost loved ones to an orc, ogre or goblin?), the use of humanoids by the Zhents in their armies and how after the most recent destruction of Phlan the ruins were occupied by the tribes and gangs of humanoids
It may have had a small part of the city's history but there isn't too much known about Phlan...as the novels and the adventure conflicted in canon sometimes it is the least described of the cities on the Moonsea, even though it is the only "good" city in that region |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 15:56:46
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And the anti-humanoid sentiment is the reason I can see them having slavery when it comes to these creatures. Humiliating those one fear has been all to common in human history and several sources tell of the general feeling among humanoids as a life in slavery as better than none. It would therefore be possible to keep the humanoids as slaves in limited numbers. I am mainly thinking of ogres used for pure strength missions and goblins for cleaning and such. A thought of the humanoids paying for the destruction they have brought; the same thought would go towards criminals. This practise would, as I said, be strongly frowned upon be the priests of Tyr and many others of good alignment.
As I said, it is quite possible that all slavery is forbidden in Phlan; I am only setting up a scenario as to how it may exist. We have no sources saying one thing or another, so it is up to each campaign. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 16:04:33
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Originally posted by Jorkens
And the anti-humanoid sentiment is the reason I can see them having slavery when it comes to these creatures. Humiliating those one fear has been all to common in human history and several sources tell of the general feeling among humanoids as a life in slavery as better than none. It would therefore be possible to keep the humanoids as slaves in limited numbers. I am mainly thinking of ogres used for pure strength missions and goblins for cleaning and such. A thought of the humanoids paying for the destruction they have brought; the same thought would go towards criminals. This practise would, as I said, be strongly frowned upon be the priests of Tyr and many others of good alignment.
As I said, it is quite possible that all slavery is forbidden in Phlan; I am only setting up a scenario as to how it may exist. We have no sources saying one thing or another, so it is up to each campaign.
I agree with everything you said...but it is the novel/adventure conflict that is causing the troubles...in the novels Narl, cleric of Tyr and his son, paladin of Tyr, saving the city for over 20 years would make the church of Tyr much more stronger in it's leadership and the alignment of the populace (like Torm in Tantras) and so all slavery of any sentient would be banned, except for those you broke the law and thus are "justly enslaved" to the state for their crimes (I like the ogre idea)
but the little bit of Phlan game canon makes the city more neutral and so maybe more lax in their stand on slavery...I wish someoen long ago would have fleshed out Phlan and have officially added Ren, Narl and Shal to the game canon (they are in the Hero books but now mention of them in the 2nd Ed. Moonsea Accessory) |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 16:17:30
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I know some of what I said may collide with the Pool-books, but I have a little trouble counting the Pool books as cannon. I only read the first one ten years ago, and it left a somewhat bad taste in my mouth. The synopsis of the other novels have not given me any interest in reading them.
I think most of what I said could fit with the description in the 2ed. book and the older campaign settings though. Even with the Tyr priests it could be seen as just punishment for humanoid raiders captured to be forced to work in service of the lands they have hurt. This would then be decided by the Tyr priest who would set the length of the forced labour. |
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