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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 18:21:58
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After having read Dragons of Faerun and the section about how Klauth attacked Mirabar, and the sidebar that mentions Dragonmoots (which I remember from the Dwarves Deep sourcbook), I got to thinking about this.
What if the dwarves of Mirabar decided to reveal their new clanhold to the dwarves near them by calling a Dragonmoot to take care of Old Snarl? Perhaps they would send representatives to Mithril Hall, Adbar, and Felbarr looking for recruits.
I'm just kind of curious about this, because its interesting to have read about the dwarves of Mirabar and to think about the resurging population of dwarves potentially getting back into the Dragonmoot buisiness again.
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 18:27:22
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I don't have that book yet but...
Did you consider the Orc Hordes attacking the North right now? it would take a lot of dwarves to bring down Klauth and there would be a lot of deaths...would/can Mirabar and the rest of the dwarf holdings in the North (plus the new Silver Marches) afford to take on one of the worst red dragons in the North? Atleast in the present time? The risk would also be other dragons would then rise up to punish the impudent dwarves, like Inferno or that other mega-red... |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 18:29:45
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Well, they do have one dragon to support them in this . . . and I would guess it would depend on how badly the dragons punished the orcs during the Rage as well. At least one fairly large orc tribe bit the dust during this time period.
BTW, I definately recommend the book. It is excellent. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 18:41:04
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I hope to get it soon...I'll be getting some friends to tag along to chip in for gas 
I remember that fact...I wish there was real non-novel canon on what was happening in the North...the powers-that-be really need to produce a Players Guide to Faerun II to catch up with all this continent spanning canon that has happened in the last 3 canon years...
I also thought the Hunter's Blades seriesreally ended at a poor note...everything happening presently in the Savage North, Silver Marches and the Swordcoast North should reflect the Orc Hordes...something I didn't notice in the Last Mythal Series...
The question I have is even with the Thunder Blessing, the oldest thunder children are still only about 60ish years old...thats liek the early 20's for humans...how wise is it for a survivng dwarfhold to split up so the young'inns can leave to start a new hold...even if the population allows a split the lack of experience woudl weaken both holds for the next few decades... |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 19:34:23
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I also thought the Hunter's Blades seriesreally ended at a poor note...everything happening presently in the Savage North, Silver Marches and the Swordcoast North should reflect the Orc Hordes...something I didn't notice in the Last Mythal Series...
Well, that is because the Hunters Blades trilogy is set back farther than others, I think in 1369-1370, (check the Grand History of the Realms, I'm too lazy.) which is why the orc kingdom isn't in the Silver Marches supplement, which in timeline it should have been.
The Mirabar dwarves may have problems getting permission from the humans in Mirabar, judging by the Hunter's Blades books. Of course, the humans may well allow many dwarves to kill themselves, that is fewer problems for them, especially if they allow those with dubious loyalties to do the dying.
Of course, my only exposure to Mirabar is through the various 3e sourcebooks and the Hunters Blades trilogy.
Mkhaiwati |
"Behold the work of the old... let your heritage not be lost but bequeath it as a memory, treasure and blessing... Gather the lost and the hidden and preserve it for thy children."
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 19:40:28
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
Well, that is because the Hunters Blades trilogy is set back farther than others, I think in 1369-1370, (check the Grand History of the Realms, I'm too lazy.) which is why the orc kingdom isn't in the Silver Marches supplement, which in timeline it should have been.
The Mirabar dwarves may have problems getting permission from the humans in Mirabar, judging by the Hunter's Blades books. Of course, the humans may well allow many dwarves to kill themselves, that is fewer problems for them, especially if they allow those with dubious loyalties to do the dying.
Of course, my only exposure to Mirabar is through the various 3e sourcebooks and the Hunters Blades trilogy.
Mkhaiwati
Ach! I forgot about RAS being years behind the current canon year  that sucks even more...something that huge as the Orc Horde (has anyone named that horde?) and all the North canon that doesn't reflect it? sheesh....
if you can get a copy of it or download it..the Volo's guide to the North has a good 4-6 pages on Mirabar...I can't think of any other canon sourse with more info |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 20:07:29
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| I've not got DoF yet, but I'd say the chances of a dragon hunt are pretty decent. The bit on Klauth in the FRCS says the idea has been mooted, and given what he's just done, I think a hunting party could definitely be on the cards. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2006 : 23:50:32
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
The Mirabar dwarves may have problems getting permission from the humans in Mirabar, judging by the Hunter's Blades books. Of course, the humans may well allow many dwarves to kill themselves, that is fewer problems for them, especially if they allow those with dubious loyalties to do the dying.
Of course, my only exposure to Mirabar is through the various 3e sourcebooks and the Hunters Blades trilogy.
Mkhaiwati
There is some additional information about Mirabar's dwarves in Dragons of Faerun that relates to this, and why the dwarves in question likely don't worry about approval from the humans in that town. |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 12:58:20
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| Hmm i believe the orcish kingdom is called the Kingdom of Many-arrows( i know inventive huh *snickers*)Hmmm but i do have to wonder what year is the Sellsword series is set in, before or after the Year of Rogue Dragons? |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 13:46:19
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Originally posted by Aes Tryl
Hmm i believe the orcish kingdom is called the Kingdom of Many-arrows
But isn't that name in part because of Obould Many-arrows? Or Obould Many Scimitar-cuts as he should now be called. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 13:51:56
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could someone remind me, was Mirabar part of Delzoun? I don't think so...  |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 13:58:58
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| No i don't think it was, but the dwarves from Mirabar could definately have been of Delzoun descent |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 14:03:16
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Originally posted by Aes Tryl
No i don't think it was, but the dwarves from Mirabar could definately have been of Delzoun descent
Oh, I'm sure of that too 
I am just trying to jog my memory about the dwarf holdingsand ancient dwarven kingdoms along the Sword Coast North...Mirabar and that other one on the coast(starts with an "f")...and I can't remember where the Seabeards originally came from
now I want the DoF book even more..if it builds up on non-dragon canon too...The Volo's Guide to the North is still the best Mirabar source..the The North box set |
Kalin Xorell El'Agrivar
- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
- Lore Keeper of the Vault of Ancestors
- 3rd Son of the Lord of the Stand |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
USA
252 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 17:32:45
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
There is some additional information about Mirabar's dwarves in Dragons of Faerun that relates to this, and why the dwarves in question likely don't worry about approval from the humans in that town.
Hey, just got my copy yesterday! Great stuff so far, I'm about 1/3rd of the way through it.
Yep, you are correct, there is something new on the dwarves of Mirabar. The question would become, how much tension would exist between the dwarves and humans if the marchion doesn't want to risk the attempt on the daragon Klauth. If the dwarves fail, Mirabar would be an excellent target for retribution, and the marchion would enjoy living longer.
But you are right in that the dwarves would be more willing to do this. hmm... (adds Mirabar to the list of places that really need to be updated)
Mkhaiwati |
"Behold the work of the old... let your heritage not be lost but bequeath it as a memory, treasure and blessing... Gather the lost and the hidden and preserve it for thy children."
"not nale. not-nale. thog help nail not-nale, not nale. and thog knot not-nale while nale nail not-nale. nale, not not-nale, now nail not-nale by leaving not-nale, not nale, in jail." OotS #367 |
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