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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
 Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 07:08:31
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so far since ive been here ive got two threads closed....been told i need to read more...realized i do need to read more....found out i know almost nothing compared to most of you extremly learned folk....and the list goes on...lol so to say the least this is been humbling i must say i have to learn alot more....plus my threads always turn controversal and get closed....so anyways i dont know what the point of this way other then to express how GREAT THIS FORUM IS!....never before have i ever been this humbled...and by people i can honestly say rock my socks off...lol you guys and your big words and almost too subtle insults and ahhhh you guys rock....hats off to you and well met...once again...by the way....say i did want to at least try to catch up to you guys and your infinate knowledge of the realms what books should i read....by who....and how in general should i go about this?......p.s. i promise not to mention salvatore or Paolini anymore lol
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 07:36:09
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Apologies, Genis.
The topics you tend to choose - are just VERY controversial around here. And a lot of the forum posters here (myself included at times) have opinions that burn too fiercely to be easily dowsed.
Sorry for the.. Explosive replies you've received. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 07:39:37
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| lol its ok im not complaing as much as im stating what slightly amuses me...but yeah i do tend to pic controversial topics and a lot of the people here including you and me have our own opinions which we alot of times think are always right :P |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 07:51:49
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| It's human nature to think that we're right. If we weren't, we wouldn't think whatever we are thinking. ;) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 07:53:55
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| good point....and dont get me started on all my theorys of evolutiona dn human nature theorys that i have of my own....ooo god that would be a long topic....but yeah damn humans....i wish i was an elf:P |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 08:03:11
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| Elves are obviously the best. *Wise nod, hides from anti-Elf zealots.* |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 08:23:12
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| dispite there often times arrogent racist outlook on life they rock!...*kicks anti elf zealots in the face* |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 08:26:14
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| Genis... there are a couple of threads that deal with new readers and what to read, so whatever I'd suggest could stand there already, but if you have the time, try to find the Finder's Stone Trilogy, and the Empires Trilogy, then go and read Elaine Cunningham's and Ed's books...oh and the Cormyr saga...from there you are on your own, I'd say... I still have to read some 30 books stacked in my room |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 08:27:02
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I still have to read some 30 books stacked in my room
I feel you there. Oi! |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 09:21:23
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Originally posted by Genis
so far since ive been here ive got two threads closed....been told i need to read more...realized i do need to read more....found out i know almost nothing compared to most of you extremly learned folk....and the list goes on...lol so to say the least this is been humbling i must say i have to learn alot more....plus my threads always turn controversal and get closed....so anyways i dont know what the point of this way other then to express how GREAT THIS FORUM IS!....never before have i ever been this humbled...and by people i can honestly say rock my socks off...lol you guys and your big words and almost too subtle insults and ahhhh you guys rock....hats off to you and well met...once again...by the way....say i did want to at least try to catch up to you guys and your infinate knowledge of the realms what books should i read....by who....and how in general should i go about this?......p.s. i promise not to mention salvatore or Paolini anymore lol
Before I get to the main part of your post Genis, let me just say... the sealing of some of the scrolls you've opened are not a reflection on you personally or your facility for the Realmslore, but rather an indication of how sensitive and problematic some topics in the Realmslore can be. Your opinions and perspectives on the Realmslore are just as important as any other opinions and perspectives expressed by other scribes here at Candlekeep. I apologise, on behalf of all the mods and admin staff of Candlekeep, if these scroll closures have caused you any personal irritation.
So, as you've no doubt noticed, nearly every scribe here at Candlekeep has some part of the Realms they are extremely passionate about. Oftentimes, these subjects will pop up here and will attract the attention of scribes with alternating views on the subject itself or part of the Realmslore being discussed. I'll admit to being rather "passionate" myself at times, about parts of the Realmslore, both here and at the gaming table... it is, largely, only natural for a shared world like the Realms to be the focus of such developments. It's also a reflection of the fact that some of us here, as long-time Realms fans, have been with the setting from the time of its published origins back in 1987... so we tend to be a little more "aggressive" in our opinions about certain Realmslore aspects, than those scribes who may still be new to the setting, or have only been with the Realms since the release of the 3e FRCS. We have the experience necessary for appreciating some of the changes that have come along and what that has meant to parts of the Realmslore we've learnt about previously. Understandably, this can make us angry and can lead to situations on message boards where conflicting views about the changes can meet. You've undoubtedly noticed that Candlekeep, like most FR message boards, is not free of this either -- as I said before, it's bound to occur given the shared nature of the Realms, but also, because of the wide diversity in Realms fans who've approached the setting from different times and through different mediums. There'll likely never be an end to these types of lore conflicts, and as the Realms grows through the direction of multiple writers and game designers and moves into new editions... some of these present conflicts may likely become even more aggressive. But we must always remember that we are all fans of this great setting, and above all, we must appreciate that there will always been players, DMs, scribes, fellow posters, who simply do not have the luxury of having been with the setting from the beginning. This, above all, is an important consideration -- especially when sharing views in an online community such as Candlekeep. I hope that the other mods and I have been somewhat successful in doing our parts to keep these types of discussions from becoming too prevalent here.
So, if you or any other scribe reading this feel like this is not the case, please contact me privately so we can discuss what you feel may be the problem, and we'll go from there.
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"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
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Edited by - The Sage on 11 Aug 2006 09:26:54 |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 09:41:00
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Originally posted by Genis
p.s. i promise not to mention salvatore or Paolini anymore lol
Oh you can mention Salvatore Dali 
But seriously, I think most of us have read his work, liked it in the beginning and have gripes with some things...it's to be expected, Pick ten readers of the same book and you get ten different opinions, unless it's TV guide that is
One thing we all agree on, I think, is that people should honor the lore that has come before. If that ain't the case, to say it with Johnny Storm: "Flame on!" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 17:12:25
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| no it hasnt caused personally irritation i just thought it was kinda funny how both my first threads we closed down...but yeah i understand with the aggreassive opinions and whatnot...i myself get pretty toasted when arguing about an opinion of mine so i see what you mean |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 18:20:50
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| i feel as tho i should bring up an interesting topic but i have none to mention...ummmm...so is the FR version of a gnoll like...a wolfish kinda creature? |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 18:23:43
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Originally posted by Genis
i feel as tho i should bring up an interesting topic but i have none to mention...ummmm...so is the FR version of a gnoll like...a wolfish kinda creature?
gnolls are supposed to be more hyena-like men than wolf-like men... |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 18:25:16
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| i thought so...but yeah hyena like...thats what i was picturing..just thought i would check...incase i see a band of them i can properly identify them lol |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 18:34:40
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Originally posted by Genis
i thought so...but yeah hyena like...thats what i was picturing..just thought i would check...incase i see a band of them i can properly identify them lol
watch out for the flinds too! They are the shorter, smarter hyena-men with the numchucks |
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- High Mage of the Arcane Assembly
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:28:41
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| i'll take note of that lol...you wouldnt happen to know what those huge goblin things from other planes of existance are called do you? |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:32:26
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Originally posted by Genis
i'll take note of that lol...you wouldnt happen to know what those huge goblin things from other planes of existance are called do you?
I think you are speaking of the Bargest from Ghenna (sp?) |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:35:12
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| yeah im pretty sure thats what i ment....whats up with those things...huge goblin things that can like....morph?...whats the correct term for that? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:36:45
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Gnolls are fun and highly underrepresented in lore. The hyena-men are strong in the lands north of Zenthil Keep and played a part in sacking the city. Soldiers of Ice is the nearest you come a gnoll novel.
And if you meet them Genis, their easy to identify. They are hairy and armed, you can try smiling to them and if they smile back and laugh hysterically whilst drawing their weapons, run for your life. This is a clear sign of gnolls, but this tactic also works well with madmen, ogres and scribes that see their favorite lore thread upon.
PS I will join those that agree with the Sages post; the blocking of the threads had with our overeagerness, not with anything you wrote. |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:39:22
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| run? are you sure i cant meet them head on in some combat?....im sure id get murdered hard core but....its worth a try...and if i had some help from candlekeep resisdents im sure i could route some gnolls easily lol...i should read soldiers of ice...and overeagerness is my middle name ;) |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:39:44
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Originally posted by Genis
yeah im pretty sure thats what i ment....whats up with those things...huge goblin things that can like....morph?...whats the correct term for that?
 polymorph |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2006 : 19:40:44
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| polymorph!....thats the word i was looking for |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 03:53:22
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I LOVE gnolls. I'm not sure why, precisely. And Yeenoghu is pretty cool, too. It might be in part nostalgic, looking back at the old Dragonquest game I played, and because my ex was really into gnolls. *Snickers*
They're among some of my favorite "animal-ish people" (along with manscorpions and wemics). |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 04:23:22
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Hmm i don't know much about gnolls, they don't really get much street cred in the realms. Its kinda like look theres a gnoll, and the PCs burst out in laughter. . . just my two cents worth.
But for those players, a visit from Yeenoghu would be well. . . educational :D |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 04:29:13
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| Yeenoghu would learn 'em good! |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 06:06:37
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| They seem to be plentiful in the Unapproachable East. Rather common shock troops for Thay or something like that. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 06:08:24
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| True! Another reason I like the UE. :) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 06:13:17
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Yeah thayans treat them like fodder unfortunately or pit fighters for amusement. we don't see any serious gnollish villains in the realms as i said before go YEENOGHU!!
Unfortunately from what I've read he doesn't seem that smart (well appearances are deceiving) but then again the Thayans were the ones who trapped Eltab so it would make for some pretty interesting conflit |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 12 Aug 2006 : 06:17:42
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| I would prefer a standard gnoll as a villain to another demon, being "normal" would set him out from the crowd more actually. |
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humbling experience to say the least
