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Dargoth
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 Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 04:25:19
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| I reckon she did a deal with the Arch Devils to become an Arch fiend personally I think she turned some of her dragons into Hellfire Wyrms and gave them to the Nine and thats how she got her tempory realm in Avernus |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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dwarvenranger
Senior Scribe
USA
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 22:18:58
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I reckon she did a deal with the Arch Devils to become an Arch fiend personally I think she turned some of her dragons into Hellfire Wyrms and gave them to the Nine and thats how she got her tempory realm in Avernus
She might also have created the Abishai. That would be a nifty gift to the Nine. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 01:41:55
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Dargoth it's like I don't even have to check the WotC site anymore I just look for links whenever you post. Thanks for making it easy. :)
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 03:26:19
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
Dargoth it's like I don't even have to check the WotC site anymore I just look for links whenever you post. Thanks for making it easy. :)
J. Grenemyer
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2006 : 05:19:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Per an email I got from my FLGS, the book will be out tomorrow.
Amazon is processing my order as I type this  |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
USA
492 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 03:33:29
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Originally posted by Paj
Hmm, you say it mentions any divine realms that can be found on a layer. Would this be Greyhawk realms only? Or will they finally take the opportunity to update the locations of some of the missing realms of FR deities whose realms were in the Nine Hells during 2e?
It's not just Greyhawk/Core deities, they took the FC:I/multiverse route. It includes all of the relevant deities that were present in Baator previously, not excluding any like the 3e MotP for reasons of "core" versus "non-core". The authors of FC:II have included Set's domain in Stygia for instance, Sekolah's domain, Hecate's domain, etc.
But other than Set who was multispheric beyond Toril, and Tiamat, I'm not aware of any other deity with a formal deific presence on Toril who had a domain in Baator (at least going by memory and a quick look at On Hallowed Ground).
The only omission was the lack of Takhisis's domain on Avernus. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2006 : 16:01:14
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I really like this picture:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/FC2_Gallery/101509.jpg
So even in Baator, sometimes you have to take the dog for a walk. Bet that hound needs one heck of a pooper-scooper though. ;)
More seriously, I like the book from what I've seen. And they put some effort into differentiating devils and demons, which is good. I get the idea that Baator is mired in bureacracy up to its pitchfork. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 09:04:49
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Do any candlekeep scribes have FC2 yet?
If so care to give us a review? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 12:41:19
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I would've had my copy this week... but with the pre-Christmas mail order rush, it likely won't arrive until next week. 
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 13:39:37
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| Got my copy just now...flipped through it and found some nice stuff in there already. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:11:05
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| Did anyone else like the new origin given for the devils? I think it fits in well with the LG gods of the Realms, especially considering that Tyr (their leader) has a paladin order devoted to killing devils. Is he defeating enemies of good, or avenging his own error? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 16:41:37
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I had my copy last Friday, just forgot to mention it. However, I haven't really read through it to much because I got 3 to 4 other books on the Hells, and they have most or the same info.
However, for those that use the new cosmology, the few side boxes on how to fit some of the info into the Tree are going to be useful for you. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 18:13:04
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Originally posted by Ardashir
Did anyone else like the new origin given for the devils? I think it fits in well with the LG gods of the Realms, especially considering that Tyr (their leader) has a paladin order devoted to killing devils. Is he defeating enemies of good, or avenging his own error?
Aye, I like the "creation" of the devils, makes for some very interesting concepts, plus it explains why Kelemvor for example deals with devils trading away souls... it just makes sense! |
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
592 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2006 : 21:29:17
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Well, one way to make God street work in the Realms is to limit the DR to one or two and lower.
Anyone notice that Nergal from Elminster in Hell is in the book as a Exiled Devil stuck on the first level?
I like it, not likely to get it soon, but I like it.
I would also like to see ones for Yugoloths to finish out the fiends, plus three books for the Celestials: Archons, Guardinals, and Eladrins.
Just some thoughts. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 17:42:54
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I'd be thrilled to see a book covering the yugoloths, and I'm sure that Shemmy will be happy to lend her expertise. ;)
A book covering the guardinals would also be a delight. Updated info on the lupinals alone would thrill my little heart no end. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 03:30:32
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Originally posted by The Sage
I would've had my copy this week... but with the pre-Christmas mail order rush, it likely won't arrive until next week.
Got my copy from Amazon today
Asmodeus final comment on page 5 made me think of George and Paul Kemp 
PS Im loving the FR compatiablity side bars and how the FR cosmology works with the FC2 (So far Ive seen stuff on Tiamat and the Styx) |
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Emperor Sigismund
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 11:26:27
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| Anyone else think that Sfena (The Iron Throne in Lords of Darkness)is an alias of Glasya's? Sfena's and Glasya's stories are awefully similar dont you think? |
“I am the King of Rome, and above grammar”
Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 16:27:17
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| Myself, I always thought that big daddy Dispater himself might make a good infernal patron for the Iron Throne. After all, he's the devil of iron and a lord of warriors. And the Iron Throne mainly deals in weapons and tries to incite warfare to ensure a market for their goods. |
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boddynock
Learned Scribe
Belgium
258 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 10:04:13
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When they started with the "Fiendish Codex"- books I was very excited. Especially because one of my players has to go to Baator to save the life (and maybe even the soul) of his True Love. After buying the book I had a mix of feelings. I enjoyed the book and it was really good but there was information missing. In the second edition Planescape box "hellbound", they spoke about earlier habitants of Baator called Baatorians. En of an entity called Lucifer who ruled hell before Asmodeus. In Fiendish Codex II they didn't mentioned both of them. I also hoped to read more about the fallen arch-devils like Geryon, Moloch and even Amon.
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 12:35:30
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Originally posted by boddynock
In the second edition Planescape box "hellbound", they spoke about earlier habitants of Baator called Baatorians. En of an entity called Lucifer who ruled hell before Asmodeus. In Fiendish Codex II they didn't mentioned both of them.
Largely omitting mention of the Ancient Baatorians was a major oversight for FC:II, but not sure where you're coming from about Lucifer. There was never any mention in earlier editions of any being named Lucifer who preceeded Asmodeus; in fact there was never any mention of a named ruler who preceeded him. The BoVD had a passing (joking) reference to earlier rulers, but that was a wink and nod to the very early (joke) article in Dragon 'The Politics of Hell' (the one with Ronald McDonald as a duke of hell, etc). |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jan 2007 : 16:25:01
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Originally posted by Shemmy
Largely omitting mention of the Ancient Baatorians was a major oversight for FC:II, but not sure where you're coming from about Lucifer. There was never any mention in earlier editions of any being named Lucifer who preceeded Asmodeus; in fact there was never any mention of a named ruler who preceeded him. The BoVD had a passing (joking) reference to earlier rulers, but that was a wink and nod to the very early (joke) article in Dragon 'The Politics of Hell' (the one with Ronald McDonald as a duke of hell, etc).
No, not Ronald McDonald, twas the Burger King who once ruled the ever-deepening Pits of Baator.
And I think Shemmy would be the one to know just who's who in the Nie Hells. Some of her friends like A'kin work there... ;) |
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Dargoth
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Welcome to Hell: Fiendish codex 2
