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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
 Posted - 17 Jan 2007 : 03:07:52
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I knew we had talked about this one, but apparently it didn't get its own thread yet (but Complete Champion did), so here it is.
I didn't pick this book up yet, but I did have a chance to look through it a bit at Borders today. What I skimmed I liked, and it continues the "no more core classes" trend. I liked the PrCs that I saw . . . I wanted one for my fighter in a friends champaign, but I was sad because, well, you have to be non-good for it . . . ah well.
At any rate, has anyone gotten this, and what do you think so far?
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 05:07:38
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This tome is simply marvelous!
I adore the new skill tricks system (you pay 2 skill points to learn a 'skill trick' which usually involves a combination of 2 skills; each trick has a set of skills requirements).
The new Luck Feats also look promising... truly someone can generate a veritable "DM-infuriating Master Reroller" with a select few of these feats!
I love the Prestige Classes as well. Unseen Seer as great potential for rogue/wizards or ninja/wizards. The ray specialist (forgot the name) PrC is also very good: one of my players is retrofitting his character to take all 5 levels for that PrC (can be taken as early as level 6 through 10)
PS: I have a houserule that states that if a new book comes out with new info, one can retrofit a character, given that this info was unavailable at the time of creation, etc.
I haven't delved in this book more than 30 minutes, but I also hope to find a few gambling rules in there (card games, but in D&D rules, to account for a character's bluff, diplomacy, sense motive, charisma, etc.) Failing that I'll have my players play real Texas.. err... Chessenta Hold'em Poker, if it comes down to it! :) |
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Grimbolt Hammerhand
Acolyte
Germany
15 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 18:07:02
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I went through the book yesterday and I like it so far, especially the Luck Feats.
The new prestige classes are surely interesting but I donīt know if Iīll use them, because I seldom play assasins or ninjas.
EDIT: Well, I never played an assasin ītil now  , but who knows, this might change in the near future  |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 20:18:52
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| unseen seer ... thats in complete mage as well ... talk about lack of creativity |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 22:28:52
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I finally got this and, to me, this is the one book of this series that I doubt I'll get much use out of. A lot of it is just more feats, which, I don't use because there's enough feats by now. The spell chapter is a little weak.
However, I kinda like the tricks but some of them are not worth spending skill points on or they are things I kept as house rules that the skills of 2e did when you took that same type of skill. I.E the heal check of 2e healed d3 hp's and the trick in this book allows you to heal d6.
Otherwise, the 100 hooks in the back of the book is probably what I'll use the most. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 02:06:07
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Originally posted by Kuje
Otherwise, the 100 hooks in the back of the book is probably what I'll use the most.
Ooh, that sounds promising... Are any of them as good as the ones written by those two guys on the Compendium staff? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 02:21:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
Otherwise, the 100 hooks in the back of the book is probably what I'll use the most.
Ooh, that sounds promising... Are any of them as good as the ones written by those two guys on the Compendium staff?
They aren't bad and they add to the other lists that have appeared in other WOTC sourcebooks. :) As for if they are as good, well, no. Since it's just a list of 100 one or two sentence hooks and they aren't FR related. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 24 Jan 2007 03:42:48 |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 03:41:45
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Oh yeah,
Forgot to mention it. I like the update/details on the Indeps. Always good to see some Planescape lore updated. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 04:16:42
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Really? The Free League receive a mention?
Neato! While I doubt I'll purchase this book, it's nice to see more PS faction receiving focus in 3e sources.
I don't suppose you'd care to provide me with a short summary of the updated details, friend Kuje?
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 04:33:33
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Originally posted by The Sage
Really? The Free League receive a mention?
Neato! While I doubt I'll purchase this book, it's nice to see more PS faction receiving focus in 3e sources.
I don't suppose you'd care to provide me with a short summary of the updated details, friend Kuje?
More then a mention. :) Like 5 pages worth of material that contains a map of the gate town of Bytopia, where the faction moved to after Faction War, some info on benefits of being a member, and a NPC example, plus a few other tidbits of material. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 24 Jan 2007 04:37:02 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 05:47:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
Hmmm... Five pages. I suppose I could excuse the purchase of this book, as "necessary" for any future PS campaigns that may feature the Free League.
Indeed. :) |
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Ugly is the new black
Seeker
Australia
81 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2007 : 06:50:11
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I was really excited when I first thumbed through The Complete Scoundrel, but I almost never pick it up anymore. It's just not that great. I mean, I like the idea of skill tricks, but I don't think they've presented anything worth much notice. Same goes for luck feats. The only prestige classes that appeal to me at all are the Combat Trapper and Greyguard, and even then, they present more of an aesthetic interest than practical character concepts. I wouldn't recommend this book.
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As he knelt on the ground with his brothers around and the taste of his blood on his tongue,
His brothers knelt by him and prayed him a prayer, and he smiled and he laughed and he sung,
"Brothers, oh brothers, my days here are done, the Dornishman's taken my life,
But what does it matter? For all men must die, and I've tasted the Dornishman's wife!" |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 14:51:05
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To me, the Scoundrel is one of the best (and more used) books of the Complete series. Some of my players are Cloaked Dancer, a "monk acrobat" and a swashbuckler - all making good use of Scoundrel rules, tips, and PrC.  |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 17:12:08
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I'm in the same boat as Chosen of Moradin... I see myself pick this book more and more, both for my NPCs when I'm DMing, and for my character in my friend's campaign.
If you're a DM: stuff your NPCs with luck feats. Run of the mill low-level NPCs are the enemies that benefit less from 'regular feats'. Sure, if you create a big mage boss or a swordmaster that's 4 levels higher than your PCs, give him proper metamagic/melee feats, respectively, to boost their scare factor. However, for regular encounters with one main baddy and a score of underlings that usually go dead once the mage of the party has launched his chain lightning or circle of death, go wild with the luck feats. I mean, once you've created a handful of iconic "luckies", you can use them often. If you roll your NPCs' saves in front of the players, don't overdo it though... otherwise they might start rolling their eyes when each NPC seemingly goes through a series of 5 saving throw rerolls each time a spell is cast at them!  |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 21:55:38
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Indeed.
Lucky feats are making the life of the Swashbuckler in my Vilhon Reach campaign a bit more easy... well... thatīs true if we donīt count that sheīs now a pawn of Dediana Extaminos (see The Laughing Lass Realmslore article...).
The monk is following the "acrobat scoundrel" references, so heīs a darned jumper, tumbler, and tricker.
And the mulan bard (that want to be a Cloaked Dancer - hehe, the player is a bellydancer) of my Unapprocheable East campaign is loving the social skill tricks, and the good tips of the book. |
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4uk4ata
Acolyte
Bulgaria
16 Posts |
Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 15:12:38
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| I liked the skill tricks as well - finally a way to give skilled characters more options. The book has some okay tips, but I'm a little ambivalent about the PrCs. The lucky feats sound interesting, but there are only so many feats one can get, so I probably won't be using them for my characters in the near future. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 07:05:44
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| Interesting for a good browse, but not something I would purchase... |
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