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nbnmare
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  18:26:44  Show Profile  Visit nbnmare's Homepage Send nbnmare a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I'm quite sure this question has come up before, but I can't see to find the answer. It certainly doesn't appear in official errata.

Anyway, there appears to be a discrepancy in the Player's Handbook. From the description of the list of bard weapon and armor proficiencies:

"A bard is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the longsword, rapier, sap, short sword, shortbow, and whip. Bards are proficient with light armor and shields (except tower shields)."

From the description of Armor Proficiency (Medium):

"Fighters, barbarians, paladins, clerics, druids, and bards automatically have Armor Proficiency (medium) as a bonus feat. They need not select it."

Clearly both cannot be right. I know the CRPG NWN2 went with bards not having proficiency with medium armor, but does anyone know if this indeed correct?

Edited by - nbnmare on 20 Feb 2007 19:34:42

Kentinal
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  20:49:34  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I recall a discussion with SRK about this issue on his board where when 3.5 came out that because of the change of Bard spell list, that light was removed from spell failure.

That is the best I can offer right now, though searching EotC site for a quick, non ziped answer.

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Kentinal
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  21:12:21  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Found it, or at least best answer I can get.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20061213a

quote:
Q: Dear Sage,
Do bards have the Armor Proficiency (Medium) feat? The class description and feat description don’t agree.
--Fraser

A: No, they don’t. The class description takes precedence over the feat description.


"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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nbnmare
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  21:29:04  Show Profile  Visit nbnmare's Homepage Send nbnmare a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excellent, thanks .
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Victor_ograygor
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 :  23:29:34  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
But If you really want medium amour you can always take the Battel caster feat

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Tyr
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  11:21:14  Show Profile  Visit Tyr's Homepage Send Tyr a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well you'd need the Proficiency and Battlecaster for that armour type.
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Sian
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  17:31:22  Show Profile  Visit Sian's Homepage Send Sian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
why not the middleway (noone is wrong) ... they can wear both Light and medium armor without problems ... but they can only cast spells while in light ...

ie. they have the Armor proficiency for Medium armors ... but doesn't know how to cast spells while in it ...

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Victor_ograygor
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 :  16:37:48  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm. Sian and Tyr read in Complete Arcane page 75 - The feat Battel caster!

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Edited by - Victor_ograygor on 22 Feb 2007 16:38:17
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