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Gwenfloor
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  00:45:43  Show Profile  Visit Gwenfloor's Homepage Send Gwenfloor a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I know that in Lost Empires of Faerun, they have a deity portfolio for Gilgeam, but what other Gods and Goddesses are of note in the Unther Pantheon?

I have an NPC Cleric of Gilgeam that refuses to convert to a new deity, his devotion is that strong. Would he become one of the faithless in the afterlife, even though he pledges loyalty to a dead God?

nbnmare
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  00:48:29  Show Profile  Visit nbnmare's Homepage Send nbnmare a Private Message  Reply with Quote
See this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Forgotten_Realms_deities#Mulhorandi_pantheon

The details gods of the various gods of Mulhorand and Unther are explored in depth in the 2E sourcebook Powers & Pantheons.
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Gwenfloor
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  00:59:37  Show Profile  Visit Gwenfloor's Homepage Send Gwenfloor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Would the NPC become one of the faithless in the afterlife? I could not find it in the wikipedia article.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  02:01:25  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The sense I get is that faithless are those that believe in no deity.

Most people of the Realms beleive in many deities.

In rare cases a cleric might profess belief in one deity, which would be considered insane, in which if they believed in a dead deity they indeed would be faithless. Also only believing in a sole dead deity tends to make it rather hard for a cleric to recieve Divine spellsor other divine abilities.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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turox
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  02:01:43  Show Profile  Visit turox's Homepage Send turox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In that same book there is a feat called Servant of the Fallen. Look it up, as it's an NPC you can just say that he fulfills the requirement of "must be a first level cleric to take" category.

Hope that helps

Turox Antas Dragonslayer -
"People will believe anything they want to believe, or fear to believe."
Wizard's First Rule: Chapter 36, Page #397, US Hard Cover (revealed by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander).
Explanation by Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander: "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."
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Gwenfloor
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  03:17:50  Show Profile  Visit Gwenfloor's Homepage Send Gwenfloor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
To Kentinal, it is not about the spellcasting to the cleric, it was holding Gilgeam as an an example, a role model to look up to, and to honor Gilgeam, he refuses to worship another deity, even if it would result in him gaining his spells back. It is an homage of respect in his eyes.
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EytanBernstein
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  10:21:07  Show Profile  Visit EytanBernstein's Homepage Send EytanBernstein a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I believe there is also information in The Alabaster Staff about current religious life in Unther (or near current at least)

http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein
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TomCosta
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  21:57:03  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Untheric pantheon consisted of Gilgeam, Ramman (god of thunder and war and also in Lost Empires IIRC), Ishtar (replaced by Isis long ago), Tiamat, Assuran (aka Hoar, god of revenge), and a few other interlopers from the Faerunian and maybe Mulhorandi pantheon. I think that was it in recent centuries. In ages past prior to the Orcgate Wars, more of the Babylonian-Sumerian gods (from the 1E Deities and Demigods and 2E On Hallowed Ground) were also worshipped such Marduk, Nanna-Sin, Ki, Nergal, Anshar, Anu, and others. Now it appears as though Bahamut has taken on Marduk as an alias and Selune as Nanna-Sin.
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nbnmare
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  22:35:59  Show Profile  Visit nbnmare's Homepage Send nbnmare a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There was an article on the Mesopotamian Mythos (Akkadian, Assyrian, Babylonian, and Sumerian) in Dragon #329. It could be useful if you need ideas for ancient Untheric history.

EDIT: It would also make a lot of sense for the demon lord Pazuzu (most recently detailed in Fiendish Codex I) to have been very interested in ancient Unther - and perhaps even modern Unther - since he's also from Babylonian mythology.

Edited by - nbnmare on 21 Feb 2007 23:01:03
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 :  23:04:38  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Suddenly I can picture Wendonai having a new patron, and the Untheric peoples another dubious ally in their fight against Mulhorand . . .
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 :  08:22:34  Show Profile Send Ergdusch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EytanBernstein

I believe there is also information in The Alabaster Staff about current religious life in Unther (or near current at least)



That is true, indeed. Great book and Gilgeam plays a somewhat important role as well.... you might what to read it to get a better understanding of your NPC.

"Das Gras weht im Wind, wenn der Wind weht."
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TomCosta
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 :  21:53:20  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You can also take a look at my work up of the ensi in the unofficial (but based on all the official lore) Prestige of the Realms posted on Eric Boyd's website.
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nbnmare
Learned Scribe

United Kingdom
205 Posts

Posted - 24 Feb 2007 :  02:58:44  Show Profile  Visit nbnmare's Homepage Send nbnmare a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Incidentally, I think you can probably add Enlil to the list of gods worshipped in ancient Unther, seeing as how he founded the country and all .
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