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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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 Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 02:20:17
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Hmmm. What? Could it be possible, Rinonalyrna, that you have not read the Erevis Cale/Twilight War trilogies? Paul Kemp gets a ton of well deserved respect around here. I've not seen many who disliked his work.
*emphasis mine
-She's read the former, but not the entire Twilight War trilogy. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 02:43:41
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| I wonder whom she meant though, not Erevis that's for sure. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 03:50:27
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I wonder whom she meant though, not Erevis that's for sure.
I got the impression she was talking about one of her own characters.
This thread certainly brings back memories, and sparks interesting thoughts about one of the characters in my novels/design work.
(And no, I don't mean Twilight. Another character involved with Erevan . . .)
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 04:45:39
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I got the impression she was talking about one of her own characters.
This thread certainly brings back memories, and sparks interesting thoughts about one of the characters in my novels/design work.
(And no, I don't mean Twilight. Another character involved with Erevan . . .)
Cheers
-The formatting is all weird, so I didn't know who was talking about what, but when I read "She's a wizard who's not to keen on Mystra or religion in general, but she's ended up willingly serving Mystra anyway...and Mystra humors her by allowing her to think she is "in charge" of her own servitude. It's a strange relationship", I immediately thought of Fox-at-Twilight. Wrong deity, but the rest is more or less accurate. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 15:02:42
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Well, the conversation basically goes this way (emphasis mine):
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I like the idea of someone who serves a deity but doesn't have especially warm feelings towards said deity. In fact, I have one character who is exactly like that.
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Like Erevis Cale, perhaps? 
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
She's a bit different. She's a wizard who's not to keen on Mystra or religion in general, but she's ended up willingly serving Mystra anyway...and Mystra humors her by allowing her to think she is "in charge" of her own servitude. It's a strange relationship.
Which leads me to think that she's talking about one of her own characters. We'd need to ask her to be sure.
But what seems clear is that she's NOT talking about Erevis or Twilight.
And, fun fact, here:
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In one of my campaigns, there's a character who is a favored soul of a deity he doesn't exactly trust and love -- he's just been "chosen" by that deity, largely against his own will. And even though he tries to thwart the deity's aims, he ends up working for the deity anyway.
I was talking about Kalen Dren (LG human male rogue 3/paladin 2 of Helm), who transcended my game and became an actual novel character named Shadowbane. (I was using the term "favored soul" loosely--not to mean the mechanical base class presented in Complete Divine.)
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 17:58:29
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I've been thinking about establishing an NPC in my campaign who is a philosopher from Chessenta and a reluctant as well as heretical priest of Assuran.
He believes that because men have the ability to understand the consequences of their actions, they have a duty to be better than the gods. No code of behaviour can ever cover all the contingencies and the monomanical focus of gods on their portfolios renders them unable to make truly moral choices.
The only way to morality is through a rational analysis of the situation and a choice that will do the least possible harm.
This philosopher would have chosen to serve Assuran largely because he believes that in order to do the least possible harm, a lot of gods and mortals will have to be forcibly restrained from their actions. And that in Assuran's dogma there can be found a desire for true justice, as long as someone helps the god to understand that justice is a judgment that you make about a turn of events after they have passed, not a state that can ever exist or a formal code. |
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Razz
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Posted - 14 Mar 2012 : 21:24:18
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Divine magic:
If you have divine magic/abilities, your relationship is generally a little more cut-and-dried. Clerics have to worship a god to get his/her power. It's possible (I don't know about this -- I'd be interested to hear other opinions) that Favored Souls don't necessarily have to worship the god (heck, they might *hate* the particular god), but in a sense they are the personification of that god in the mortal world. Whether they want to be or not (they're chosen -- got little say in the matter).
Here's the Favored Souls in the Forgotten Realms article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070425
Add this to the description of the class in COMPLETE DIVINE and, from what I gather, Favored Souls are born with inner divine power and it becomes as much a part of their entire being as a Sorcerer's arcane magic is to them. It cannot be taken away from lack of worship or even from the breaking of tenets. The Favored Soul is, most of the time, beholden to the deity that granted the divine power. Sort of like just giving in to the destiny bestowed, whether they asked for it or not.
I think because of this, the deities in the Realms do not create Favored Souls without much consideration. Hence their rare numbers. Most deities wouldn't want a divine caster going rogue without suffering any divine repercussions and being stuck responsible for their very actions if they were the one that granted the divinity in the first place.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 15 Mar 2012 : 04:15:15
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I'm divided in my opinion here:
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Originally posted by Razz
Here's the Favored Souls in the Forgotten Realms article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070425
Add this to the description of the class in COMPLETE DIVINE and, from what I gather, Favored Souls are born with inner divine power and it becomes as much a part of their entire being as a Sorcerer's arcane magic is to them. It cannot be taken away from lack of worship or even from the breaking of tenets.
Totally buy that. That's absolutely my understanding. But . . .
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The Favored Soul is, most of the time, beholden to the deity that granted the divine power. Sort of like just giving in to the destiny bestowed, whether they asked for it or not.
That I'm not so sure. Well, you said "most of the time," so I can be on board. I think a disgruntled or unhappy favored soul would be a GREAT story. In fact, I know it is, because that's basically what Cale's story is--a disgruntled favored soul telling a great story.
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I think because of this, the deities in the Realms do not create Favored Souls without much consideration. Hence their rare numbers. Most deities wouldn't want a divine caster going rogue without suffering any divine repercussions and being stuck responsible for their very actions if they were the one that granted the divinity in the first place.
Some of the best tales come from deific mistakes or quirks of fate. There is so much room for cool story here.
I think Erevan (to connect it to the OP) is particularly likely to pick mortals *at random* (or at least seemingly so) and just watch it go. Either it'll work out for the best, or it will be a terrible mistake, but either way, it's fun to watch.
Also see this thread here. The first half of the first page is about my character, Fox-at-Twilight, but then it talks about the trickster-touched template. This could be a great alternative to a favored soul--I could definitely see Elaith Craulnober having this template: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10646
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Mar 2012 : 04:29:21
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Originally posted by Razz
I think because of this, the deities in the Realms do not create Favored Souls without much consideration. Hence their rare numbers. Most deities wouldn't want a divine caster going rogue without suffering any divine repercussions and being stuck responsible for their very actions if they were the one that granted the divinity in the first place.
He wasn't a favored soul, but we have a very good example, in the Realms, of a deity picking a divine servant who then went rogue: Sammaster. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Mar 2012 : 22:35:25
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Also see this thread here. The first half of the first page is about my character, Fox-at-Twilight, but then it talks about the trickster-touched template. This could be a great alternative to a favored soul--I could definitely see Elaith Craulnober having this template: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10646
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-I'll admit, I don't see it. I could possibly see Erevan Illesere possibly being interested in Elaith Craulnober in the sense that so much of his later life since leaving Evermeet is filled with...'depressing irony' (either being the supernatural cause of it, or having his interest piqued because of it), but I really don't see why he would be involved any more than that- especially to the degree of having somehow empowered Elaith. |
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