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RodOdom
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  17:43:04  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Dear Candlekeepers (Candlebraer?),

What's the steepest slope riding horses or pack mules can climb? What's the steepest slope they can descend?

Kentinal
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 :  18:08:21  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A question like this can only provide an answer, It depends.

It depends on breed of horse or mule mix.
It depends on the material of the slopep (smooth or textured) and so on.

As a praticle matter in RW a horse can perhaps achieve 30 degrees up slope with little problem on a textured surface, a horse can desend far greater pitches, though some will break legs or tumble. The actual length of the slope is also a factor. Gamewise it could be treated as modified climb checks that need to be checked every 10 feet with the DC becoming harder the longer the slope to be traveled is.

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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
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Edited by - Kentinal on 12 Apr 2007 04:20:21
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Wooly Rupert
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The horse's training would also likely be a factor. The weight carried or pulled would definitely be a factor.

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RodOdom
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Posted - 12 Apr 2007 :  01:38:03  Show Profile  Visit RodOdom's Homepage Send RodOdom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That helps me a lot. Thanks guys!
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Kentinal
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Posted - 12 Apr 2007 :  04:36:07  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not sure how much we helped, but to add to the mix of factors it also depends on how the animal is dressed. Wooly touched on if the animal is carring a load, a rider effects chances differently then a pack of same weight, balance shifts differently. There is also the shoes the animal wears, that can effect ability to travel slope. For example ice shoes are good when dealing with iced surfaces because the shoes dig in, but nake it much harder if on rocks or paced road because ice shoes do not dig in providing less traction.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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Daviot
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Posted - 13 Apr 2007 :  10:12:39  Show Profile  Visit Daviot's Homepage Send Daviot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal

It depends on breed of horse or mule mix.


I'd just like to mention that out of the entire 3.5 book Champions of Valor, I've found most handy the list of horse breeds in the back of the book. For instance, my party paid extra money for a trio of Dales ponies, since they can go many places where larger horses cannot. And as a DM, owing to their breeding, I've made them mule-like in their ability to venture near dungeons (and the fang dragon currently in the party) that most other horses would get highly skittish around.

So, mechanics questions aside, I'd just like to point out that breeds like a Dwarven Hammer Pony are probably going to be able to manage steep slopes better than say...a Calimite warhorse used to large, flat stretches of desert.

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Kaladorm
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Posted - 13 Apr 2007 :  10:16:45  Show Profile  Visit Kaladorm's Homepage Send Kaladorm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
and my Paladin loves his Cormyrean Destrier :)

Edited by - Kaladorm on 13 Apr 2007 10:19:22
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Aelf
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I must add my endorsement to Champions of Valor. The authors did a fine job.

The additional types of mounts are
1) Not overpowering
2) Not rules-heavy
3) A credit to Realmsflavor


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Daviot
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  05:42:04  Show Profile  Visit Daviot's Homepage Send Daviot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well said, Aelf. Beyond flavor, it helps gives identity to the PCs' horses and makes players watch out for them.

There's a Lhesperan, three Dales ponies, and most recently, a Tharurr in my campaign.

And the last campaign I played in, my (high-level) character (a battlemage/scholar) was wandering through the Raurin sifting through Imaskari ruins and eventually found a Raurin horse. Through a bit of a house rule (spin-off on the Sword of the High One paladin from a Web Enhancement of substitution levels), it's now his familiar.

One usually has far more to fear from the soft-spoken wizard with a blade and well-worn boots than from the boisterous one in the ivory tower.
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Sian
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  07:25:16  Show Profile  Visit Sian's Homepage Send Sian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
horse as an familiar ... why not ...

what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month
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warlockco
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  17:20:16  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Complete Arcane and Complete Warrior both if I recall correctly had feats for variant Familiars, and some of those Familiars were Large in Size I think, or Medium at least with a comparable CR as a Horse. So I would see no major issues with one of those feats being modified to allow a Horse to be a Familiar.
Especially since in general Fantasy Lore there have been instances of Horses being Familiars or something similiar.

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