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| Skeptic |
Posted - 26 Feb 2006 : 03:19:38
Does her most recent stats are the Code of Harpes one?
Thanks. |
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 08 Mar 2006 : 03:00:00
According to his stats in the new Waterdeep sourcebook (I think?), Danilo *does* have one level in the Spellsinger PrC. |
| Kazzaroth |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 21:57:58
It could be a simple as badly poed Inspire Courage :P. Also one way how to make Danilo a so called 'bard mage' could be simply add a Sublime Chord levels where he qualifies in 9lvl at least. But then his level would rise quite a amount :P. But I think a aristocrat/bard/wizard/spellslinger is way to go. I reason for the aristocrat so that Danilo was borned as noble and so he haves got basic tutorlage in that. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 01:01:18
And as I recall, that same battle saw an effect on the lizard men also... a result of Danilo's bardic abilities perhaps? Although Fascinate doesn't quite seem to capture that.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 00:25:22
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
I couldn't find any evidence that he uses the special powers of the bard class.
--Eric
In Elfshadow, his singing perked Arilyn up when she was fighting the lizard men. I thought that was bardic... |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 22:35:25
Personally for Danilo I would have dropped 2 levels of Aristocrat and given him either 2 levels of Bard or given him one level of Bard and 2nd level of Spellsinger |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 22:07:25
quote:
Originally posted by Gerath Hoan
Slightly off tangent, but somewhat related, what do people think of Danilo Thann's current stats?
For a start I was shocked that he didn't have Bard levels, but what interests me is that he has levels in Spellsinger without meeting the requirements. He was the requisite Elf blood, but he doesn't cast arcane spells without preparation. How can he be a Spellsinger in that case?
Just wanted the thoughts of all you scribes here at Candlekeep about this.
GH
You can see a sample build here (search for Danilo):
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=496878&page=1
Note the use of the Spontaneous Casting feat from the Eberron Campaign Setting. This is a bit of a dodge since the Realms doesn't (officially ) have action points, but it's the best solution I've seen.
FWIW, I screwed up and didn't doublecheck like I normally do. I thought there was a generic feat that did this (there's not) or that one of the regional feats or Complete Arcane feats that gives you spells as a sorcerer would work. (They don't. They give you three 0-level spells).
Other solutions would be to Rule 0 that Arcane Schooling would suffice. (This has the additional problem of not being a regional feat for Waterdeep, but it's possible the alternate regions in Champions of Valor might allow you to get around this.)
As for why he doesn't have bard levels. I don't think he acts like a Player's Handbook-style bard. To me, he acts like a wizard with a high Cha, lots of ranks in Knowledge skills, and lots of ranks in Perform skills. I couldn't find any evidence that he uses the special powers of the bard class.
--Eric |
| Gerath Hoan |
Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 17:42:56
Slightly off tangent, but somewhat related, what do people think of Danilo Thann's current stats?
For a start I was shocked that he didn't have Bard levels, but what interests me is that he has levels in Spellsinger without meeting the requirements. He was the requisite Elf blood, but he doesn't cast arcane spells without preparation. How can he be a Spellsinger in that case?
Just wanted the thoughts of all you scribes here at Candlekeep about this.
GH |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 16:40:28
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I think through reading a character in a book, we can zero in on things, but I think its hard to absolutely get a fix from such reading. For example, you can figure out that a charcter is suppose to be good, and not "lawful" (in this case, Arilyn), and thats about it. I don't think it would ruin anyone's campaign if she showed up as NG or CG, and the right answer has more to do with how the author sees their creation and how that might shape their future decicions.
I agree. Sometimes, seeing the specific, official alignment of character that you got to know about from reading can be surprising, though it often makes sense upon further thought. Heck, sometimes even characters that seem to be good in a book turn out to be neutral (and vice versa). Alignment can hard to pin down, and you just have to make deductions based on a character's thoughts, feelings, and actions in a book. And in some cases, we don't even have THAT much to go by--sometimes we see a character act without understanding the motives behind those actions.
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 16:21:53
I think through reading a character in a book, we can zero in on things, but I think its hard to absolutely get a fix from such reading. For example, you can figure out that a charcter is suppose to be good, and not "lawful" (in this case, Arilyn), and thats about it. I don't think it would ruin anyone's campaign if she showed up as NG or CG, and the right answer has more to do with how the author sees their creation and how that might shape their future decicions. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 16:01:09
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
And her conduct in most of the novels she's appeared in, especially with regard to her attitudes and opinions seen in Elfshadow, would suggest to me that CG is indeed the more correct interpretation of Arilyn's alignment.
Heroes' Lorebook as I recall was the only source that listed her alignment as NG.
True, but I wanted to be sure, because it's possible for one book to be correct and the others to be wrong. It's a logical fallacy, most of the time, to try prove a point via strength in numbers. What can I say--I nitpick like that.
I still think that a NG person could possibly act the way Arilyn did. Not saying that "CG is wrong, and you're all wrong!", but CG and NG aren't that far apart from each other. Also, everyone sees alignments differently. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 04:53:23
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
So what's her real alignment? 
From what we've seen of her, I'd say the majority of the sources have it right: CG. She's definitly good, and we've not seen her pay any bit of attention to the law. She's always been a "do whatever it takes to get the job done, so long as it's good"-type of person.
And her conduct in most of the novels she's appeared in, especially with regard to her attitudes and opinions seen in Elfshadow, would suggest to me that CG is indeed the more correct interpretation of Arilyn's alignment.
Heroes' Lorebook as I recall was the only source that listed her alignment as NG.
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| Berzerker_prime |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 04:11:32
There is a progression of non-magic variant Ranger in Complete Warrior, if you prefer to use those.
Personally, though, I don't have much problem with including the levels of Harper Scout in her level progression. Sure, she's not a Harper any more, but she still has those skills and probably a lot of the contacts she made as a Harper. Obviously the rules for ex-harper scout would have to be followed, but she'd still have the skills. It's not like she forgot them when she stopped being a Harper.
Just my two cents.
Sweet water to you.
Berz.
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| Kajehase |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 02:01:07
I think the rogue level was added because of her demonstrated skill at picking locks and (I suppose) tracking. The Harper Agent levels are perhaps more debatable - for one thing, to be exact they should be ex-Harper Agent since she's left the group - I'd possibly replace them with levels of Ranger if it weren't for her not being a spellcaster. |
| Skeptic |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:43:55
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Arilyn's 2nd edition game stats appear in Code of the Harpers. She is (erroneously) mentioned as a Harper Scout in the hardcover game accessory Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.
So, who like Elaine consider her more a fighter than a rogue/fighter/harper agent?
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:35:19
All right, there's the answer. I had no problem seeing her as either NG or CG, but I was wondering what the correct one was, thanks. |
| The Hooded One |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:32:57
From Ed's notes, years back: CG.
Ed wrote "CG, but ask Elaine at GenCon" and then drew a box. Later, in red ink, he checked off the "Ask Elaine" bit and wrote "CG" in the box.
love,
THO |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:25:38
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
So what's her real alignment?
From what we've seen of her, I'd say the majority of the sources have it right: CG. She's definitly good, and we've not seen her pay any bit of attention to the law. She's always been a "do whatever it takes to get the job done, so long as it's good"-type of person. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 01:03:15
So what's her real alignment? |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 00:56:40
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Didn't she used to be NG?
FOR4 Code of the Harpers also lists her as CG.
She was only NG in Heroes' Lorebook. CotH and the n Waterdeep sourcebook list her as CG.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2006 : 00:33:39
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Didn't she used to be NG?
FOR4 Code of the Harpers also lists her as CG. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 23:59:43
http://www.elainecunningham.com/arilyn_moonblade.htm
offers quote:
Arilyn's 2nd edition game stats appear in Code of the Harpers. She is (erroneously) mentioned as a Harper Scout in the hardcover game accessory Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 27 Feb 2006 : 23:33:11
Didn't she used to be NG? |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 26 Feb 2006 : 03:26:01
According to City of Splendors: Waterdeep, her stats are
Arilyn Moonblade, CG half elf female, Rog 1/Ftr 4/Harper Agent 5 |
