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| Waldham |
Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 20:53:07
Hello,
I search the process used by Vargo Kent to become an half-dragon.
Vargo used apparently an alchemical process, but he hasn't the brew potion feat.
With craft (alchemy) skill ?
Thanks for your future answer. |
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| Thente Thunderspells |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 22:19:15
There are no rules on the process in any of the books, nor should there be really. Vargo and his apprentice are unique NPC people who have abilities not found in standard things. If a PC wants to be Half-dragon they should take the template or the PrC to get there like normal people. |
| Dracons |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 07:07:41
I don't know why he didn't do that. All I know is what was put in Champions of Ruin, and that it was he made a potion that made him a half-dragon.
Not the first time a FR character has made a spell, or done something that isn't in any rule book on how they possibly could do it. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 06:12:19
Then why not just use change shape and perm and be done with it? Seems like it would make more sense than a non-existent alchemy concoction when he doesn't have the skill to make it. Although potions could be argued to be alchemy creations. I'd say just call it whatever you ant, or make up your own lore for it. |
| Dracons |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 05:50:51
Vargo was always obsess with dragons. When he was seven years old, his family was forced by a black dragon to take care of a dragon egg. When it was hatched, Vargo spent his life taking care of it. (Dragon is now an adult and Vargo's cohort). He figured he could go far in the cult since he already belived in the doctorn for a long time.
There is a spell for becoming a half-fiend somewhere, ( I don't recall which book, or if it was 3.0/3.5). Shouldn't be too much of a stretch that he had a varient to become half-dragon, and just /permency/ it. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 05:45:20
That sounds kind of backward. How does a simple potion turn one into a half-dragon? There's nothing in that PrC that says one can't use a potion as part of the entry for the class, but it seems like he should have joined the Cult FIRST, not the other way around. |
| Dracons |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 05:32:09
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
The Cult of the Dragon variant was probably the Dragon disciple from the Complete Prestige Classes Compendium book.
Nope. Vargo is just a straight level 16 evoker. He doesn't even have any craft: Alchemy, though he does have brew potion. It just states in his bio that he made it, transformed, then joined the cult of the dragon. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 03:51:08
The Cult of the Dragon variant was probably the Dragon disciple from the Complete Prestige Classes Compendium book. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Apr 2011 : 00:51:51
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
I'd include blood from a weredragon as a material component
this thread reminds me of Vargo Hoat, as a weregoat
I wouldn't. I would mandate the blood of a true dragon. But that's just me. 
I'm inclined to agree. Including lycanthropic blood brings with it, all kinds of alternate possibilities. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 23:21:28
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
I'd include blood from a weredragon as a material component
this thread reminds me of Vargo Hoat, as a weregoat
I wouldn't. I would mandate the blood of a true dragon. But that's just me. |
| Quale |
Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 23:03:15
I'd include blood from a weredragon as a material component
this thread reminds me of Vargo Hoat, as a weregoat |
| Dracons |
Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 14:32:27
And here it is, depending on what you are.
Player: Ask DM permission first. Then make a craft: Alchemy check with a DC: Super high. It requires rare materials that you must gather first. Your DM will know it.
DM: Choose rather or not you want your players to have this. If so, make it so they need to gather rare materials first, then past a high DC craft: Alchemy check. Apply the template and make it so it takes them four more levels before they gain another level. (To pay off the ECL).
In other words, the formula that Vargo used? It's all fluff, no crunch. There is no hard rules on how it's made, just total fluff, much like how many wizards used spells and potions to make them live longer. That's why it's no where in any 3rd or 3.5 edition books. |
| Waldham |
Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 07:43:38
I would like the alchemical process, the formula. |
| Dracons |
Posted - 27 Apr 2011 : 04:29:38
Yep, Vargo Kent is detailed in Champions of Ruin. |
| Waldham |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 11:59:22
From Dragons of Faerūn p.58 :
quote:
In between hours of monotonous work as apprentice, Reveilaein found time to translate the writings on the tablet - an ancient artifact sacred to the draconic demigod Kalzareinad, the nefarious dragon god of dark secrets. The writings detailed a process which a half-dragon could undergo a transformation into dracolich know as the Kaemundar. Fascinated by the idea of becoming immortal but aware of his human limitations, the young apprentice sought a way to transform himself into a half-dragon.
Reveilaen was aware that his mater Vargo had once been a normal human but had discovered an alchemical process that turned him into a half-black dragon. The young mage concocted a scheme to steal the formula. ... ripping the page out of the mage's notes that contained the formula.
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| Sill Alias |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 06:40:32
No, not that. I remember it was some kind of dragon loving freak of Cult of the Dragon. He turned from human to half-dragon. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 06:34:46
Actually, it's the Dragonborn of Bahamut, from Races of the Dragon. Not the same thing as the "true" half-dragons. Those were children of dragons and demihumans (originally only metallics). The 3rd ed MM updated them to include other dragon types, and RotD brought in Dragonborn and a couple of other variants. I did mine with the original 2nd ed stat rules, though they've been converted for 3.5. |
| Sill Alias |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 06:26:55
I remember there was a guide where a human half-dragon got transformation through alchemy or some kind of ritual. Was it 'Champions of Ruins'? |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 26 Apr 2011 : 03:15:49
Is he any relation to Clark? LOL!! kidding. Haven't the foggiest. Time was, you had to be BORN a half-dragon.... Like my pair of half-dragon twins. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 25 Apr 2011 : 21:16:32
I suspect Cult of the Dragons used polymorph as part of rite of passage. |
