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| jordanz |
Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 05:35:03
Both living and unliving? |
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| stephenslate |
Posted - 19 Dec 2011 : 23:34:58
there are a few sources that had said that savras and azuth both wanted mystra's love and affection but azuth beat savras and she petitioned for him to be a demigod afterwards. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 19 Dec 2011 : 18:04:16
Perhaps. But I read somewhere, either Bruce's words or from a sourcebook, or maybe from the trilogy's second and third books, that the Eldest is older than Ao, and (arguably) more powerful. I could be incorrect. Those who read the trilogy can clarify it. |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 19 Dec 2011 : 15:50:18
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Certainly it is older than when Abeir-Toril split asunder.
This lets it sound like the believes of someone. So maybe it isn't true?
And beeing old while something else is young doesn't necessarily mean that it was there before the other. A humand could be old while an elf is still young but the elf could be born mayn years before the human. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 13:44:26
quote:
Originally posted by Salacar
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms.
According to the Plague of Spells novel in the Abolethic Sovereignty series, the aboleth city of Xxiphu was transported to the Realms shortly after the creation of Abeir-Toril, and their leader the Eldest is said to have been old already when Abeir-Toril was split by Ao.
The novel is only three years old and obviously set in the post-Spellplague Realms, and whether or not the Eldest is older than Ao is another thing altogether.
In any case, the novel pretty much places the Eldest as the oldest non-deity/overgod being in the Realms.
Here is the exact passage from Plague of Spells:
"Xxiphu contains the original aboleths. These are the progenitors of the race who personally squirmed into the world before it cooled from its creation fires. These aboleths were old when the sun was still young. Xxiphu is the seat of the Abolethic Sovereignty, possessed of a malignancy inconceivable, and ruled by the Eldest, an aboleth of such size its age is incalculable. Certainly it is older than when Abeir-Toril split asunder. If Xxiphu rises and the Eldest wakes, then Faerūn will face yet another catastrophe, this one directed by alien, unfeeling minds that do not perceive the world as you do, or even I." |
| stephenslate |
Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 07:20:18
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood
I have found it!
The oldest beings in existence...
The Shadevari
Originaly only 13 of these creatures existed.
Quote - Curse of The shadowmage - Harpers book 11.
" the shadevari are older than the world itself. They are creatures of the dim chaos that existed before the gods forged Toril, in the time before time, before light and dark were seperate entities. Instead of a world as there is now, there existed only a misty realm of shadows, and the shadevari were Lords of that realm. Then came the gods - though from where no one knows - and set the world of toril spinning between the two."
" For eons, the shadevari prowled the face of Toril, wreaking havok and seeking ways to shatter the creation of the gods. Their only desire was to find a way to break the world and meld light and dark into shadowy chaos once more. Finally, the God Azuth, The High One, found a way to banish the shadevari."
So there you go I've been looking for this as I knew of them but could not remember where I had seen them.
So older than the Gods, older than Toril itself.
I belive jordanz your search is over.
Delz
Didnt azuth become a demigod while mystra was a goddess which would make him alot younger than what would be acceptable for that time or basically before time started ? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 02:58:36
quote:
Originally posted by Salacar
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms.
According to the Plague of Spells novel in the Abolethic Sovereignty series, the aboleth city of Xxiphu was transported to the Realms shortly after the creation of Abeir-Toril, and their leader the Eldest is said to have been old already when Abeir-Toril was split by Ao.
The novel is only three years old and obviously set in the post-Spellplague Realms, and whether or not the Eldest is older than Ao is another thing altogether.
In any case, the novel pretty much places the Eldest as the oldest non-deity/overgod being in the Realms.
There may be some degree of truth to it all. As per the FRCG [pg. 172]:- "Aboleths have seen the rise and fall of worlds, apocalypse upon apocalypse. They are old past understanding, and their origins predate the current cosmos in which mortals (and their gods) erroneously believe they are so central." |
| Salacar |
Posted - 11 Dec 2011 : 16:19:41
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms.
According to the Plague of Spells novel in the Abolethic Sovereignty series, the aboleth city of Xxiphu was transported to the Realms shortly after the creation of Abeir-Toril, and their leader the Eldest is said to have been old already when Abeir-Toril was split by Ao.
The novel is only three years old and obviously set in the post-Spellplague Realms, and whether or not the Eldest is older than Ao is another thing altogether.
In any case, the novel pretty much places the Eldest as the oldest non-deity/overgod being in the Realms. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 11 Dec 2011 : 15:43:05
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 11 Dec 2011 : 12:54:26
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 23:43:38
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
I always liked to think that Araumycos was a "chosen" of Psilofyr, god of the Myconids.
Hmmm. I seem to recall something being said of how the Myconids think, and how it doesn't resemble how most mortals conceive things. Maybe this ties in to what Ed said about Araumycos, as I quoted above?
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I also wonder if Araumycos isn't just an impossibly old myconid that has taken root, become sedentary, and spread through the Underdark beneath the High Forest. If so, then do all myconids have the pontential to grow so big if they live to that age? Or was it some special magic or divine infusion of power that allowed him to live so long and grow so big? Perhaps we'll never know.
I like to think that Araumycos is a special case in this regard. Whether it be a result of Underdark radiation, divinely inspired, or just the consequence of the earliest self-aware thoughts of a semi-cognisant Araumycos brushing up against an illithid elder brain and triggering a blossoming fully-developed awareness in the fungal-mass as a stimulus response to the danger posed by the illithids.
In other words, I don't think the "how" and "why" of Araumycos can be properly ascertained so easily. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 22:20:07
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
I always liked to think that Araumycos was a "chosen" of Psilofyr, god of the Myconids.
I also wonder if Araumycos isn't just an impossibly old myconid that has taken root, become sedentary, and spread through the Underdark beneath the High Forest. If so, then do all myconids have the pontential to grow so big if they live to that age? Or was it some special magic or divine infusion of power that allowed him to live so long and grow so big? Perhaps we'll never know.
I like to think that Araumycos is either some sort of collective organism, or perhaps a former mortal who sought immortality in a very unorthodox manner. |
| creyzi4zb12 |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 22:02:25
Iakhovas = he was alive when during the Shadow Epoch = he's dead tho' |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 19:55:47
I always liked to think that Araumycos was a "chosen" of Psilofyr, god of the Myconids.
I also wonder if Araumycos isn't just an impossibly old myconid that has taken root, become sedentary, and spread through the Underdark beneath the High Forest. If so, then do all myconids have the pontential to grow so big if they live to that age? Or was it some special magic or divine infusion of power that allowed him to live so long and grow so big? Perhaps we'll never know. |
| Tarloc |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 03:14:17
what book or books can i find this terraseer in? he sounds like a fun read. and that linnorn was something else. they were lucky to escape. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 11 Dec 2009 : 00:00:50
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by 92dragon5fire
is the Araumycos one organism or many?
So far as I know, it's a single entity -- which doesn't rule out it being some sort of collective organism.
I'd agree. And, Ed's own words on the subject:-
"Araumycos is alive and sentient, but does not think as we do." |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Dec 2009 : 23:47:19
quote:
Originally posted by 92dragon5fire
is the Araumycos one organism or many?
So far as I know, it's a single entity -- which doesn't rule out it being some sort of collective organism. |
| 92dragon5fire |
Posted - 10 Dec 2009 : 21:57:58
well the Terraseer is a lich so he isn't living. and wasn't there that linnorn in book 3 of the Year of the Rogue Dragon series who was around when the dracorage mithylar was made. are we sure that those sarrukh's that are still living where from the days of Thunder and arn't ancestors of sarrukh's who lived then. and I don't think there where any Phaerimm that are alive now that where alive during the Sundering, the race as a hole most certainly was; but an individual Phaerimm, I don't know of any sources that say that.
is the Araumycos one organism or many? |
| Sandro |
Posted - 29 Nov 2009 : 23:18:44
Yeah, they're hundreds of years old, but still young compared even just to Elminster or Khelben, let alone the really old beings (Terraseer, etc.). |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 29 Nov 2009 : 19:32:32
How about the Seven Sisters? They are all pretty old, though not as old as Elmisnter, of course... |
| Asharak |
Posted - 22 Nov 2009 : 16:59:35
Hsssthak from Isstosseffifil. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 18:17:08
I think 4E Killed off the Thornbacks... |
| creyzi4zb12 |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 18:14:43
Some Sarrukh's, are there sarrukh's still living in the Realms? Pil'it'ith would be one of them.
I also would like to point out on the Phaerimm's as the oldest living beings in the Realms...even older than some Ultra-Liches that we know of. |
| Quale |
Posted - 30 Sep 2009 : 20:55:00
the leshay, some are from the previous multiverse
also possibly the arcane and some other I'm not sure, the spellweavers, the dreaden ... |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 10:38:16
I have found it!
The oldest beings in existence...
The Shadevari
Originaly only 13 of these creatures existed.
Quote - Curse of The shadowmage - Harpers book 11.
" the shadevari are older than the world itself. They are creatures of the dim chaos that existed before the gods forged Toril, in the time before time, before light and dark were seperate entities. Instead of a world as there is now, there existed only a misty realm of shadows, and the shadevari were Lords of that realm. Then came the gods - though from where no one knows - and set the world of toril spinning between the two."
" For eons, the shadevari prowled the face of Toril, wreaking havok and seeking ways to shatter the creation of the gods. Their only desire was to find a way to break the world and meld light and dark into shadowy chaos once more. Finally, the God Azuth, The High One, found a way to banish the shadevari."
So there you go I've been looking for this as I knew of them but could not remember where I had seen them.
So older than the Gods, older than Toril itself.
I belive jordanz your search is over.
Delz |
| Quale |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 09:44:47
at least, he could be old as Corellon |
| swifty |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 15:09:46
isnt malkazid about 35000 years old. |
| Sandro |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 04:57:47
Isstosseffifil fell in c. -33,000 DR, making the Terraseer (and the other 59 lich kings) much older than the vast majority of the competition. |
| Quale |
Posted - 18 Sep 2009 : 18:43:14
No, it's a mystery. I imagine Psilofyr before Moander.
With Turlang, there are also the arakhora, the Grandfather Tree is at least 13000 years old.
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| Jorkens |
Posted - 17 Sep 2009 : 08:18:36
quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth
Araumycos, the gargantuan fungus filling the Underdark beneath the High Forest, has been repeatedly described as being possibly the oldest living organism in Faerūn, predating the empires of the elves.
That would be my first choice as well. I don't have my books with me at the moment, but has the background of the creature been detailed? Moander would be a clear suspect, but is there an official explanation? |
| Icelander |
Posted - 16 Sep 2009 : 17:23:42
Maldraedior, a blue dragon in the Smoking Mountains of Unther, is over 4,000 years old.
Granted, that blasted linnorn still has him beat, but that's still quite impressive. |
