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TwigB
Acolyte
South Africa
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 Posted - 15 Oct 2008 : 22:33:37
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Most of what Brian mentioned I'd like to see expanded upon, especially the regions. Emphasis on LORE though. I think there's more than enough mechanics for the time being, unless you consider new city maps as mechanics, those I'd really like to see (I'm a sucker for a mapped out city).
I like the new realms but I feel that lore-wise, we've only been given a small sample. What we've been given so far (Rose Keep, Halls of the Frostmaiden, Epic Faerun etc.) was really interesting but I felt that was more secondary information. I'd like to be able to drop my players in a region and know more than just what the campaign setting says.
I was begging to worry that the "nothing is set in stone, your realms, you do what you want" policy was going to impact too severely on the realms, leaving you to just as well make up your own world, since the realms turned out rather tabula-rasa. Make no mistake, I like the freedom but I like having some boundaries.
Might as well throw in a question, since this has been bugging me for a while: Will a new timeline be formed or have they done away with that? Will the world progress and will the events in the new novels form part of this new timeline? I sincerely hope so, I'd hate the realms to come to a grinding halt due to the fear that "it restricts player freedom" or "timelines make things to complicated"
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2008 : 23:32:59
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The Asmodeus thing isn't really that complicated... it says everything that needs to be said about him becoming a god.
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An ancient diety turned arch-devil, the Lord of Nessus longed for untold millennia to reclaim his godhood.
How did a devil kill a god when only gods can kill gods? Easy, Asmodeus was a god and likely still holds enough vestiges of his former power to qualify for killing another diety.
As for how he went from arch-devil status (which, in his case, seemed comparable to a demigod before)... well, some speculation is required here, but as Lord of Hell, I'm sure he's got all manner of arcane lore at his disposal. So maybe he used Azuth's essence to jumpstart his ancient major mojo, or maybe Azuth was just the beginning of his feast and he used what he took from the god of spells to suck in more power that was running rampant in the wake of Mystra's demise. Both the Weave and Shadow Weave unravelled and disappeared, but energy can neither be created nor distroyed. Where did it go? Perhaps Asmodeus, again using Azuth's essence as a springboard, grabbed onto as much of that raw power as he could.
Asmodeus's ascension to greater god status is really the least confusing events following the $ellplague. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
37011 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2008 : 01:34:56
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Originally posted by Nerfed2Hell
The Asmodeus thing isn't really that complicated... it says everything that needs to be said about him becoming a god.
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An ancient diety turned arch-devil, the Lord of Nessus longed for untold millennia to reclaim his godhood.
How did a devil kill a god when only gods can kill gods? Easy, Asmodeus was a god and likely still holds enough vestiges of his former power to qualify for killing another diety.
Yeah, but if he was still a god, then he wouldn't be trying to reclaim godhood. So we're back where we started.  |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2008 : 01:58:04
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| -Epic stories about old regions or heroes and how they made it through the Spellplague. Give new and old players some flavor that can be equally enjoyed. New players need heroic stories to spawn their imagination and old players need their hunger filled relating to what they have fell in love with to begin with. This does not have to be specific characters and can include entire Kingdoms or regions. I imagine the Spellplague was of such proportions that every society was affected in some shape or form. This is too much of a gold-mine to let go and you can utilize it to satisfy the larger base of fans. |
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Thalos_Milathriel
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2008 : 02:39:45
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I would like to know the following:
-What happened to / where is Liriel Banre?
-What happened to / where is Jarlaxle?
-More on the redeemed Drow. Who is their deity, or were they so betrayed by Lolth that they are non-theists now, rejecting all gods?
-Grand History updates! Yes, that will serve as a bridge and give those people ticked off about 4E Realms some stuff to use to continue their (my) campaigns until they (I) can get over that chip on their (my) shoulder!
-Is the Dragon's Head tavern still open in Waterdeep? (I'm making a sweet tavern sign for my gameroom based on the Volo's guide entry.)
Despite all the negativity I really appreciate Brian asking for our opinions here. Thanks. |
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
305 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 08:03:43
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Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
-What happened to / where is Liriel Banre?
My guess on that is she turned into "the Raven Spirit" and became one with Rashemen.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
37011 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 13:19:34
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Originally posted by Pandora
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Originally posted by Thalos_Milathriel
-What happened to / where is Liriel Banre?
My guess on that is she turned into "the Raven Spirit" and became one with Rashemen.
Liriel was pretty young for a drow. I don't know the 4E drow lifespan, but I'd expect that she's still physically hale. I'd imagine that she becomes a cleric of Selûne and is pretty senior within the Witches' hierarchy. I don't think she'd be leading them, but with a century of experience serving among them, she's got to be in a well-respected and prominent position.
...Assuming she didn't decide to travel the Realms once more, of course. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 18:12:52
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Originally posted by Rustybeard
-Epic stories about old regions or heroes and how they made it through the Spellplague. Give new and old players some flavor that can be equally enjoyed. New players need heroic stories to spawn their imagination and old players need their hunger filled relating to what they have fell in love with to begin with. This does not have to be specific characters and can include entire Kingdoms or regions. I imagine the Spellplague was of such proportions that every society was affected in some shape or form. This is too much of a gold-mine to let go and you can utilize it to satisfy the larger base of fans.
Except that none of the old heroes apart from Drizzt, Elminster, Dove, Storm, and the Simbul made it through. There's five stories. The Realms used to be a lot more than five stories. Not taking this any further.  |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2008 : 18:16:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Markustay
I absolutely, positively DON'T want to see any new lore concerning ANYTHING east of Murghôm. The little bit that was added in the GHotR forced me to throw away about 1/3 of my Eastern History, and I STILL can't reconcile everything. 
So throw away the bit that bothered you and use what you wrote.
I second that emoticon.
Er, sorry, I meant, I second that opinion. When in doubt, use your own stuff. That's what 4E Realms is all about, anyway.
[edit]??? What little bit are you referring to? I'd love to help out with your Eastern history project, but I need to assemble more info. I recently downloaded the OA modules from Wizards and Paizo, along with some other classic adventures that I'm going to find homes for in the Realms... hopefully in time for inclusion in your map. If I know what you're trying to wrap your head around, maybe the idea in question just takes two heads to surround its full circumference.  But I'm probably being too literal in my metaphors. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2008 : 18:12:24
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No big deal - I already apologized to Brian (at WotC) for my pervasive mini-rants on the subject everytime it comes up.
Without getting into too many details, Brian built his new additons to the eastern timeline with a lot of the more common knowledge of the East in mind (which isn't much - I'm talking about info from the K-T and Horedlands boxed sets, and at least one Horde module), whereas three of us working on another project (the Utter East thread, of all places) found a second set of history that gave a somewhat more specific point of reference for a certain powerful NPC.
We managed to 'fix' history and give everything a place in the timeline, despite the fact that several pieces of lore caused continuity problems (the same guy was given THREE names!) Unfortunately, Brian's adds managed to undermine our (non-canon) fixes, leaving us back where we started, in terms of repairing the timeline.
Rather then embrace the new lore (which I now do), I stupidly tried to retro-fit it into our homebrew timeline, which didn't work out so well (it just made everything even more convoluted then the original).
I've now shifted course (I do that A LOT), and am instead working from the other direction (which is how we worked originally) - I'm taking ALL the canon (including Brian's wonderful creation of Anok -Imaskar and three Ages of Shou) and using them as a foundarton, rather then as 'patches'.
As fans of the setting - especially we here at CK - we have to remember that canon comes FIRST, and what we add to it must work within the canon, not in spite of it; thats where I went wrong.
Sure I could ignore those entries for my own game, as Rinon pointed out, but that won't work for an article or Netbook, which is the direction all of this is headed. The idea is to improve people's enjoyment of FR, not change it.
So I was wrong, and BRJ was right, and I apologize once again. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2008 : 19:36:31
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Originally posted by Markustay
No big deal - I already apologized to Brian (at WotC) for my pervasive mini-rants on the subject everytime it comes up.
I'm good at those too... although some of mine tend to be a bit more than "mini"...
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Originally posted by Markustay
Without getting into too many details, Brian built his new additons to the eastern timeline with a lot of the more common knowledge of the East in mind (which isn't much - I'm talking about info from the K-T and Horedlands boxed sets, and at least one Horde module), whereas three of us working on another project (the Utter East thread, of all places) found a second set of history that gave a somewhat more specific point of reference for a certain powerful NPC.
A second set of canon history? Meaning the K-T modules? Are they not consistent with the sources cited above? Or am I off target? I'm just starting to explore K-T history myself, having recently downloaded the modules from wizards.com and paizo.com; I may grab the K-T boxed set too, since I don't have my hard copy.
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Originally posted by Markustay
We managed to 'fix' history and give everything a place in the timeline, despite the fact that several pieces of lore caused continuity problems (the same guy was given THREE names!) Unfortunately, Brian's adds managed to undermine our (non-canon) fixes, leaving us back where we started, in terms of repairing the timeline.
Okay. When I read your original post on the matter, I thought it was internal inconsistencies within the published lore that were causing the problems. Understood now.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Rather then embrace the new lore (which I now do), I stupidly tried to retro-fit it into our homebrew timeline, which didn't work out so well (it just made everything even more convoluted then the original).
Isn't that what the Celestial Bureaucracy is all about?
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Originally posted by Markustay
I've now shifted course (I do that A LOT), and am instead working from the other direction (which is how we worked originally) - I'm taking ALL the canon (including Brian's wonderful creation of Anok -Imaskar and three Ages of Shou) and using them as a foundarton, rather then as 'patches'.
Sounds like the right approach to me.
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Originally posted by Markustay
As fans of the setting - especially we here at CK - we have to remember that canon comes FIRST, and what we add to it must work within the canon, not in spite of it; thats where I went wrong.
I can appreciate that to a point... a chronological point, that is... and that's all I'll say here. I like positive, productive conversation now.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Sure I could ignore those entries for my own game, as Rinon pointed out, but that won't work for an article or Netbook, which is the direction all of this is headed. The idea is to improve people's enjoyment of FR, not change it.
I agree 100%, and while I could use this to argue against recent canon, I've been there and done that elsewhere, where it belongs.
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Originally posted by Markustay
So I was wrong, and BRJ was right, and I apologize once again.
Okay... so where are we with the history fixes? |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 18:15:43
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Thank you very much for all the great feedback. This thread will remain to collect general feedback forthe Realms team, but I would now like to draw your attention to a new post narrower in focus. I am now soliciting feedback for the top three regions you would like to see covered in a Dragon Backdrop article, much like the Backdrop: Cormyr article released previously.
Despite my unabashed love for Candlekeep, I'm going to ask you to please navigate over to the WotC boards http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1103516 to read more and cast your vote. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
37011 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 19:28:24
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Despite my unabashed love for Candlekeep, I'm going to ask you to please navigate over to the WotC boards http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1103516 to read more and cast your vote.
What about those of us that can't post over there? Myself and MarkusTay have both been banned... |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3256 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 19:48:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
Despite my unabashed love for Candlekeep, I'm going to ask you to please navigate over to the WotC boards http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1103516 to read more and cast your vote.
What about those of us that can't post over there? Myself and MarkusTay have both been banned...
No offense, but since this is for articles on DDi (unless I've misread Brian's post), I'm not sure you and MarkusTay would see the fruits of the labor, nonetheless. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 20:39:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What about those of us that can't post over there? Myself and MarkusTay have both been banned...
Well your vote should be for Elturgard seeing that you have a road named after you there. But in all seriousness, if you post your top three regions here I'll transfer them over to the WotC boards so your vote will be counted. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
37011 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2008 : 21:12:40
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What about those of us that can't post over there? Myself and MarkusTay have both been banned...
Well your vote should be for Elturgard seeing that you have a road named after you there. But in all seriousness, if you post your top three regions here I'll transfer them over to the WotC boards so your vote will be counted.
Heh, I guess I will include that, to see how I got a road. Besides, it is a new kingdom, so seeing how it came about would be cool.
And you know Waterdeep has to make the list... 
I'd make Myth Nantar my third choice, but I think that is rather unlikely. So I'll put Silverymoon third, instead.
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 11:57:53
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Cormyr
Dalelands/Myth Drannor
Sembia
1372 to 1375 DR, of course. |
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D-brane
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
140 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 14:35:19
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What about those of us that can't post over there? Myself and MarkusTay have both been banned...
Well your vote should be for Elturgard seeing that you have a road named after you there. But in all seriousness, if you post your top three regions here I'll transfer them over to the WotC boards so your vote will be counted.
Hey Brian, I think this is a pretty cool idea! And we already have mentions of both George Krashos and Kuje31. And now Wooly Rupert .
Is there any chance that some of the other more prominent members of the 'keep will be referred to in future lore. Like Markustay perhaps. Or KnightErrantJR, or The Sage, or Rinonalyrna Fathomlin. They all deserve a mention I think!!!
I'm only asking because I like the fact that I can say I know and talk to these people regularly online  . |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 15:36:57
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| Check my PM. I wouldn't want to publicly reveal any surprises. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 21 Oct 2008 : 23:18:01
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Originally posted by D-brane
Is there any chance that some of the other more prominent members of the 'keep will be referred to in future lore. Like Markustay perhaps. Or KnightErrantJR, or The Sage, or Rinonalyrna Fathomlin. They all deserve a mention I think!!!
That's such a nice thought, thank you. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 00:08:31
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I'd rather not see my name - its very 'common' and all-too-RW (I see it in almost EVERY set of movie credits). Brian has already honored me in other ways, and thats more then enough.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What about those of us that can't post over there? Myself and MarkusTay have both been banned...
Both my bannings were for twentyfour hours, so I was able to vote over there.
And, of course, I asked about three regions that were 'left off' the 3e maps - Erlkazar, Shaareach, and the Blade Kingdoms. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2008 : 06:14:16
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This isn't entirely on topic, but it is a request for Realmslore. I was wondering if the Royal Lineage of Cormyr (the semi-mythical document maintained by Brian "Garen Thal" Cortijo) will ever see the light of day for us Realmslore freaks. Being able to obtain this particular item of Realmslore (in its current pre-Spellplague entirety) would be enough in itself to convince me that Wizards hasn't completely turned its back on the fans of the world that Ed Greenwood created. There are aspects of the "new" Realms that interest me, but I can't say that I'm interested in making the time jump until my major questions about pre-Spellplague Cormyr have been answered, which this document will very likely do, even if it doesn't tell all regarding the mysteries of the Obarskyrs and other Cormyrean nobility. As Markustay is a cartographer and historian, I am a genealogist and historian. I'm not particularly interested in it being released through D&D Insider, and it is my understanding that DDi is intending to focus on the post-Spellplague era. (Heh... almost typed "error" there; oops.) I am willing to pay a reasonable article download fee for the aforementioned document as well as other unreleased pre-Spellplague lore, if that makes the powers that be more amenable to offering the material. I have raised this point on the WotC boards, but have so far been ignored... maybe I posted in the wrong forum?  My username on the Wizards boards is (no surprise here) FrustratedRealmsFan; my posts earlier in this scroll and in the Feedback Commentary scroll should suggest why. I am absolutely willing to pay for information I can use, and the extended royal/noble genealogy of Cormyr is that kind of information. Thank you for your time, and apologies for any abrasiveness in earlier posts to this scroll. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 11:59:39
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There are a couple of things I would like to see.
1. The fates of specific gods (what happened with Mask? What are the details of Mystra's death? ect)
2. Realms not mentioned in the FRCG (what happened with Icewind Dale during the Spellplague?)
3. Continents beyond Faerûn (what happened to Maztica?!)
4. The fates of major NPC's
5. Races missing from the FRCG (did the Saurials survive the Spellplague?)
6. Updates for the GHotR (explain certain important events during the Spellplague and story elements that don't seem to fit in)
7. 75% lore vs 25% mechanics |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 19:29:44
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Originally posted by Tyranthraxus
Two of these I can answer right now.
Officially, Maztica was transposed with Returned Abeir. So it still exists, but you would first need to travel to Abeir. My take however, which I plan to explore in some future article, is that the terra incognita lands *north* of Maztica were the lands replaced. See this map for my placement of Returned Abeir: http://www.hobgoblin.org/realms/4ETracklessSea.png
The Saurials did survive the Spellplague but they were driven underground by the Netherese. This is mentioned in the Dalelands sections of the FRCG. Sorry I don’t have the page number handy.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 04:46:25
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Another thing I'd like to see is a downloadable compilation of the complete run of "Elminster's Everwinking Eye" from Polyhedron. Again, I'm willing to pay for that as paid downloadable content, but independent of DDi. I'm hoping that my requests will be at least looked at, but from what I've seen from Wizards since the arrival of 3E, we (the customers) need to ask for what Wizards wants to give us if we want to see what we ask for.
Re: Returned Abeir: Its existence is abominable, but allowing it to replace Maztica at least makes it somewhat palatable. Replacing "Terra Incognita" lands just retroactively reduces the grounds for Ed's original position on the 4E Realms, which I still stand behind. Exploring the "Terra Incognita" would have made far more sense than reinventing the Faerunian wheel.
Enough said. I'm tired and I'm cranky about RL things right now, so I should shut up for a while. Again: I'd really like to see the old OOP or unpublished lore made available to those who want it, and I'd happily pay for it, preferably in a pay-per-download PDF format like that employed by Paizo for sale of old products. If Wizards wants my money, that's how they'll get it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
37011 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 05:36:26
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Originally posted by Jakk
Another thing I'd like to see is a downloadable compilation of the complete run of "Elminster's Everwinking Eye" from Polyhedron. Again, I'm willing to pay for that as paid downloadable content, but independent of DDi. I'm hoping that my requests will be at least looked at, but from what I've seen from Wizards since the arrival of 3E, we (the customers) need to ask for what Wizards wants to give us if we want to see what we ask for.
Oh gods, yes! This is something we need! I, too, would be willing to pay for such content. And as of this moment, I've not given WotC a dime for anything 4E except a single novel. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 05:44:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jakk
Another thing I'd like to see is a downloadable compilation of the complete run of "Elminster's Everwinking Eye" from Polyhedron. Again, I'm willing to pay for that as paid downloadable content, but independent of DDi. I'm hoping that my requests will be at least looked at, but from what I've seen from Wizards since the arrival of 3E, we (the customers) need to ask for what Wizards wants to give us if we want to see what we ask for.
Oh gods, yes! This is something we need! I, too, would be willing to pay for such content. And as of this moment, I've not given WotC a dime for anything 4E except a single novel.
There you have it, Brian... what Candlekeep fans and admins want is lore. Lots of lore. Downloadable-for-a-fee PDF lore independent of DDi that isn't necessarily post-Spellplague, and the pre-Spellplague stuff doesn't even need to be new; convert existing unreleased (Cormyr noble genealogy) or uncollected ("EEE") lore into compilations for us, and get us to pay per download. Making this lore a part of DDi will not get me to buy into DDi; I will simply make do without the lore until it is available separately. There will be no rant against DDi here, because I'm signing off before my cranky tiredness gets the better of me, and I know that cranky people aren't listened to (I have a three-year-old neice and a six-year-old nephew in the house). |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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arry
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 12:00:43
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| I agree. This sort of lore is what I would pay for, and I haven't given a dime to WotC since 4e. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 12:37:09
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Originally posted by Jakk
Another thing I'd like to see is a downloadable compilation of the complete run of "Elminster's Everwinking Eye" from Polyhedron. Again, I'm willing to pay for that as paid downloadable content, but independent of DDi. I'm hoping that my requests will be at least looked at, but from what I've seen from Wizards since the arrival of 3E, we (the customers) need to ask for what Wizards wants to give us if we want to see what we ask for.
Oh gods, yes! This is something we need! I, too, would be willing to pay for such content. And as of this moment, I've not given WotC a dime for anything 4E except a single novel.
There you have it, Brian... what Candlekeep fans and admins want is lore. Lots of lore. Downloadable-for-a-fee PDF lore independent of DDi that isn't necessarily post-Spellplague, and the pre-Spellplague stuff doesn't even need to be new; convert existing unreleased (Cormyr noble genealogy) or uncollected ("EEE") lore into compilations for us, and get us to pay per download. Making this lore a part of DDi will not get me to buy into DDi; I will simply make do without the lore until it is available separately. There will be no rant against DDi here, because I'm signing off before my cranky tiredness gets the better of me, and I know that cranky people aren't listened to (I have a three-year-old neice and a six-year-old nephew in the house).
I'd like you to be a little more careful here Jakk. You're coming dangerously close to the "speaking for Candlekeep with respect to 4e" debate we've been trying to avoid here for some time now. Each scribe is entitled to their own opinions on the post-Spellplague Realms of course, but we should be very careful about assuming that our opinions count for the majority of scribes here at Candlekeep. I don't want designers to mistake the opinions you've expressed in this post as being the standard here at Candlekeep.
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