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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 19:55:47
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I always liked to think that Araumycos was a "chosen" of Psilofyr, god of the Myconids.
I also wonder if Araumycos isn't just an impossibly old myconid that has taken root, become sedentary, and spread through the Underdark beneath the High Forest. If so, then do all myconids have the pontential to grow so big if they live to that age? Or was it some special magic or divine infusion of power that allowed him to live so long and grow so big? Perhaps we'll never know. |
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creyzi4zb12
Learned Scribe
Philippines
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Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 22:02:25
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| Iakhovas = he was alive when during the Shadow Epoch = he's dead tho' |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 22:20:07
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
I always liked to think that Araumycos was a "chosen" of Psilofyr, god of the Myconids.
I also wonder if Araumycos isn't just an impossibly old myconid that has taken root, become sedentary, and spread through the Underdark beneath the High Forest. If so, then do all myconids have the pontential to grow so big if they live to that age? Or was it some special magic or divine infusion of power that allowed him to live so long and grow so big? Perhaps we'll never know.
I like to think that Araumycos is either some sort of collective organism, or perhaps a former mortal who sought immortality in a very unorthodox manner. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 23:43:38
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
I always liked to think that Araumycos was a "chosen" of Psilofyr, god of the Myconids.
Hmmm. I seem to recall something being said of how the Myconids think, and how it doesn't resemble how most mortals conceive things. Maybe this ties in to what Ed said about Araumycos, as I quoted above?
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I also wonder if Araumycos isn't just an impossibly old myconid that has taken root, become sedentary, and spread through the Underdark beneath the High Forest. If so, then do all myconids have the pontential to grow so big if they live to that age? Or was it some special magic or divine infusion of power that allowed him to live so long and grow so big? Perhaps we'll never know.
I like to think that Araumycos is a special case in this regard. Whether it be a result of Underdark radiation, divinely inspired, or just the consequence of the earliest self-aware thoughts of a semi-cognisant Araumycos brushing up against an illithid elder brain and triggering a blossoming fully-developed awareness in the fungal-mass as a stimulus response to the danger posed by the illithids.
In other words, I don't think the "how" and "why" of Araumycos can be properly ascertained so easily. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Dec 2011 : 12:54:26
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Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Dec 2011 : 15:43:05
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms. |
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Salacar
Acolyte
Denmark
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Posted - 11 Dec 2011 : 16:19:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms.
According to the Plague of Spells novel in the Abolethic Sovereignty series, the aboleth city of Xxiphu was transported to the Realms shortly after the creation of Abeir-Toril, and their leader the Eldest is said to have been old already when Abeir-Toril was split by Ao.
The novel is only three years old and obviously set in the post-Spellplague Realms, and whether or not the Eldest is older than Ao is another thing altogether.
In any case, the novel pretty much places the Eldest as the oldest non-deity/overgod being in the Realms. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 02:58:36
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Originally posted by Salacar
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms.
According to the Plague of Spells novel in the Abolethic Sovereignty series, the aboleth city of Xxiphu was transported to the Realms shortly after the creation of Abeir-Toril, and their leader the Eldest is said to have been old already when Abeir-Toril was split by Ao.
The novel is only three years old and obviously set in the post-Spellplague Realms, and whether or not the Eldest is older than Ao is another thing altogether.
In any case, the novel pretty much places the Eldest as the oldest non-deity/overgod being in the Realms.
There may be some degree of truth to it all. As per the FRCG [pg. 172]:- "Aboleths have seen the rise and fall of worlds, apocalypse upon apocalypse. They are old past understanding, and their origins predate the current cosmos in which mortals (and their gods) erroneously believe they are so central." |
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stephenslate
Acolyte
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Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 07:20:18
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I have found it!
The oldest beings in existence...
The Shadevari
Originaly only 13 of these creatures existed.
Quote - Curse of The shadowmage - Harpers book 11.
" the shadevari are older than the world itself. They are creatures of the dim chaos that existed before the gods forged Toril, in the time before time, before light and dark were seperate entities. Instead of a world as there is now, there existed only a misty realm of shadows, and the shadevari were Lords of that realm. Then came the gods - though from where no one knows - and set the world of toril spinning between the two."
" For eons, the shadevari prowled the face of Toril, wreaking havok and seeking ways to shatter the creation of the gods. Their only desire was to find a way to break the world and meld light and dark into shadowy chaos once more. Finally, the God Azuth, The High One, found a way to banish the shadevari."
So there you go I've been looking for this as I knew of them but could not remember where I had seen them.
So older than the Gods, older than Toril itself.
I belive jordanz your search is over.
Delz
Didnt azuth become a demigod while mystra was a goddess which would make him alot younger than what would be acceptable for that time or basically before time started ? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Dec 2011 : 13:44:26
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Originally posted by Salacar
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Perhaps the Elder Aboleth is the oldest. Isn't there a "claim" that their ancient city (which recently resurfaced) predated the "birth" of Ao?
I find that unlikely, unless their city was previously elsewhere and was transported to the Realms.
According to the Plague of Spells novel in the Abolethic Sovereignty series, the aboleth city of Xxiphu was transported to the Realms shortly after the creation of Abeir-Toril, and their leader the Eldest is said to have been old already when Abeir-Toril was split by Ao.
The novel is only three years old and obviously set in the post-Spellplague Realms, and whether or not the Eldest is older than Ao is another thing altogether.
In any case, the novel pretty much places the Eldest as the oldest non-deity/overgod being in the Realms.
Here is the exact passage from Plague of Spells:
"Xxiphu contains the original aboleths. These are the progenitors of the race who personally squirmed into the world before it cooled from its creation fires. These aboleths were old when the sun was still young. Xxiphu is the seat of the Abolethic Sovereignty, possessed of a malignancy inconceivable, and ruled by the Eldest, an aboleth of such size its age is incalculable. Certainly it is older than when Abeir-Toril split asunder. If Xxiphu rises and the Eldest wakes, then Faerūn will face yet another catastrophe, this one directed by alien, unfeeling minds that do not perceive the world as you do, or even I." |
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Dec 2011 : 15:50:18
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Originally posted by Dennis
Certainly it is older than when Abeir-Toril split asunder.
This lets it sound like the believes of someone. So maybe it isn't true?
And beeing old while something else is young doesn't necessarily mean that it was there before the other. A humand could be old while an elf is still young but the elf could be born mayn years before the human. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Dec 2011 : 18:04:16
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Perhaps. But I read somewhere, either Bruce's words or from a sourcebook, or maybe from the trilogy's second and third books, that the Eldest is older than Ao, and (arguably) more powerful. I could be incorrect. Those who read the trilogy can clarify it. |
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stephenslate
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Dec 2011 : 23:34:58
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| there are a few sources that had said that savras and azuth both wanted mystra's love and affection but azuth beat savras and she petitioned for him to be a demigod afterwards. |
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