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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 03:07:44
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The fact that they might (probably will) use these powers for destruction and conquest* is not important for Mystra, IMHO.
Indeed. This is a crucial point when it comes to discussing Mystra and her perspectives on the use of magic and the Weave. The Lady of Mysteries is concerned with magic, and what people do with magic, not why. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 03:36:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Kilvan
The fact that they might (probably will) use these powers for destruction and conquest* is not important for Mystra, IMHO.
Indeed. This is a crucial point when it comes to discussing Mystra and her perspectives on the use of magic and the Weave. The Lady of Mysteries is concerned with magic, and what people do with magic, not why.
As Ao's dictation, and the other deities' of course, she HAS to be neutral in treatment with magic-users. But remember what happened in Crucible, she favored the "good" magic-users and was therefore put to trial because of it. So while her duties require her to be neutral, her essence, of perhaps that which remains of the mortal Midnight, veers more towards "good."
But really, it is not my main concern. I just think that making the guardian of a neutral source of magic LE is strange. And in light of the presence of Shar being NE and the SW, which may not be really evil but is still the power source of not a few wicked spellcasters, making Mystra LE is redundant.
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 03:47:19
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Originally posted by dennis
As Ao's dictation, and the other deities' of course, she HAS to be neutral in treatment with magic-users. But remember what happened in Crucible, she favored the "good" magic-users and was therefore put to trial because of it. So while her duties require her to be neutral, her essence, of perhaps that which remains of the mortal Midnight, veers more towards "good."
But really, it is not my main concern. I just think that making the guardian of a neutral source of magic LE is strange. And in light of the presence of Shar being NE and the SW, which may not be really evil but is still the power source of not a few wicked spellcasters, making Mystra LE is redundant.
I have trouble following you. Mystra would not be made LE just for having a LE Chosen, and Chosens are not necessarily Guardians, they can be promoters, something that evil people do as much (if not more) as good people.
Would it be redundant if Mystra was made LE? Yes, but she is not, and she won't be (of course). I'm not only saying that Mystra COULD have evil chosens while preserving her balance, I'm saying she probably DOES have evil chosens (pre-spellplague at least) to preserve said-balance. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 04:01:47
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Kilvan,
Scroll up. Nicaolai mentioned that Larloch (who is a LE) could be Mystra's avatar. Which I deem unlikely, as I follow the notion that should that be case, then she WOULD become LE as well should her true form is destroyed (obviously, it already was in the SP) and only that tiny bit or considerable amount of her essence she left in Larloch remains... But if her essence/sentience would supersede Larloch when they become one (like Mystra and Midnight), then that's another story to consider. So to put it plainly, I don't think it likely that she'll resurrect as a LE deity in the form of Larloch.
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 14:00:53
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Originally posted by dennis
Kilvan,
Scroll up. Nicaolai mentioned that Larloch (who is a LE) could be Mystra's avatar. Which I deem unlikely, as I follow the notion that should that be case, then she WOULD become LE as well should her true form is destroyed (obviously, it already was in the SP) and only that tiny bit or considerable amount of her essence she left in Larloch remains... But if her essence/sentience would supersede Larloch when they become one (like Mystra and Midnight), then that's another story to consider. So to put it plainly, I don't think it likely that she'll resurrect as a LE deity in the form of Larloch.
Indeed, then we agree, Mystra will probably not come back as a LE deity. BUT if she did chose Larloch as her avatar, I think we would probably have another Mystra/Midnight scenario, like you said. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 17:24:41
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I dont believe that Midnight has left anything in the hands of Larloch. If anything it was Mystra 2.0. For that reason I believe that when the time comes, and it will, that what ever he has deep in his wault, will be unleashed. And that might be the last essence of Mystra 2.0
Just a thought!
With regards to the spells, why would nobody die of fire if you are a lvl 25+ spell caster? And what kind of energy should be used to increase power`??? |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 17:46:32
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| Spells like the ones you describe are "fully Legend Lore-able". Being immune to (Fire) effects is easily achieved at early levels. Hence, blasting someone with a (Fire) effect at that level is folly. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 18:59:57
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But what... energy should it be then...
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Aug 2010 : 20:30:35
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Oh, well then I would go for 'untyped' destructive force. Gravity-bombs work well.
I *really* think you should take a second look at True Dweomers, Epic Spells, etc. The developement system is really nice. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 02:27:15
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I dont believe that Midnight has left anything in the hands of Larloch. If anything it was Mystra 2.0.
Uh... Midnight is Mystra 2.0. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 10:58:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I dont believe that Midnight has left anything in the hands of Larloch. If anything it was Mystra 2.0.
Uh... Midnight is Mystra 2.0.
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 14:33:05
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I ofc thought that Midnight was he 3ed version of goddess of magic, and that Mystryl was Mystra 1.0... So what I meant was that I dont believe Midnight has left anything, but that Mystra the first might have!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 23:59:36
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I ofc thought that Midnight was he 3ed version of goddess of magic, and that Mystryl was Mystra 1.0... So what I meant was that I dont believe Midnight has left anything, but that Mystra the first might have!
Am I making any sence!
It goes Mystryl, Mystra 1.0, Mystra 2.0/Midnight, no one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 01:15:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
I ofc thought that Midnight was he 3ed version of goddess of magic, and that Mystryl was Mystra 1.0... So what I meant was that I dont believe Midnight has left anything, but that Mystra the first might have!
Am I making any sence!
It goes Mystryl, Mystra 1.0, Mystra 2.0/Midnight, no one.
Or, rather, Mystryl, Mystra 1.0, Mystra 2.0/Midnight, reconstituted Mystra 2.0 {or, perhaps, 2.5} as per "The Sage of Shadowdale" series. |
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