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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 17:21:45
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Are there any pagansbesides me on Candlekeep? If so, what path do you go by and who is your patron deities (or deity)?
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 17:56:54
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Well there clearly are a few, however not all declared.
I know one self IDs as Wicca.
Another only self IDs as pagan.
It would not surprise me that there are at least 20 fairly active here. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 18:03:06
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Pagan?
I have a question: do Pagans believe in the existence of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God...or is that not real? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 18:20:40
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| Why do you assume all pagans worship a single deity? |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 18:34:48
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| It depends by what you mean by believe. I do not at ALL worship it,but it is probably real. True Pagans follow deities (deity) from a specific European culture or mix a few gods with of closely related cultures, but don't invoke them together as that would probably cause problems. I, myself, practice British (mainly Scottish, but alsoWelsh, Irish and Cornish) Traditional Witchcraft/Paganism. My main deities are Nicnevin, goddess of witches, and Queen of Elphame and the Unseelie Court, Cailleach, a mother goddess, Shonen macLiir, god of strange creatures and (I believe knowledge). I also worship Brighid, Cernunnos, Rhiannon, Epona, and a few others. All part of the Celtic pantheon. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 20:38:15
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Pagan?
I have a question: do Pagans believe in the existence of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God...or is that not real?
Well pagan is a broad term so there is not one answer to fit all of them.
The most general reply is that pagans believe in deities, inclining the ones Jewish, Christian and Muslim choose to believe in exists for those of that faith.
Many pagans go with the belief that there is not one path, one True deity, rather instead each person including the Witch burners have the right to seek their own path though how they connect with the divine. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 21:13:20
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Pagan?
I have a question: do Pagans believe in the existence of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God...or is that not real?
Well pagan is a broad term so there is not one answer to fit all of them.
The most general reply is that pagans believe in deities, inclining the ones Jewish, Christian and Muslim choose to believe in exists for those of that faith.
Many pagans go with the belief that there is not one path, one True deity, rather instead each person including the Witch burners have the right to seek their own path though how they connect with the divine.
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 22:13:06
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I dislike the word pagan. When it comes to who believes what and who is pagan, that would depend entirely on the definition you are using.
1. "A heathen or a person who does not acknowledge your god" - that could apply to anyone at any given time.
2. A person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
3. A hedonist or someone motivated by desires for sensual pleasures..
4. An uncivilized or unsocialized person; Especially an unruly, badly educated child;
And I wouldn't go guessing about anyone's religion. When you break them down to their most basic principals, there are far too many similarities among the goodly faiths to really differentiate without unintentionally (or perhaps intentionally) offending people.
As to what I define as goodly (I know someone will ask) I think it is any faith that promotes or enhances the well-being of the human race as a whole as well as that of individuals. I won't get into a theological debate, and I know that almost every major religion has its flaws and its shameful moments in history, but the promotion of love and care and empathy make religions goodly to me regardless of which god or gods they honor.
So what does it really matter if one is a pagan?
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Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 22:29:55
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Originally posted by Brynweir
I dislike the word pagan. When it comes to who believes what and who is pagan, that would depend entirely on the definition you are using.
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So what does it really matter if one is a pagan?
Indeed the definition has changed. Back 2 or 3 thousand of years ago, Jews were considered pagan, when Christianity came along they also consider pagan. The acceptable religions were those of the Romans and the Greeks, with the Celtics included as pagan.
In general, those that reject monotheism self ID as pagan, most of the now dominate religions reject every other faith as false (sometimes reject those of the same core belief as false as well).
Oh and will add, the winners write the history. Where you get your definition from was most likely written by a Christian. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 22:30:29
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Well I was onlycurios as to see if there are any on here that we might share same beliefs, etc. Just as tjere are christian grous, why not pagan groups or social networks? We are so little in number and are generally far apart.
Pagan is the accepted term for those pre-Christian religions. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 22:36:28
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Well I was onlycurios as to see if there are any on here that we might share same beliefs, etc. Just as tjere are christian grous, why not pagan groups or social networks? We are so little in number and are generally far apart.
Pagan is the accepted term for those pre-Christian religions.
There are some pagan groups that likely are still active. Links are on old box. There are also moderated and unmoderated Usenet groups.
I have not looked, however would not be surprised that some are very much into social network like facebook unless the TOS prevent religion (or some of them). |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
436 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 22:39:01
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I understand, and I hope I didn't sound snippy.
If you are looking for someone with your same beliefs, then perhaps you might have stated those first instead of simply "pagan." Many people use that as a derogatory term. I understand you were not, and I don't, but maybe you can see why I dislike the word...
And I don't know that you necessarily have to share the same beliefs to have a social network. I was raised a Christian, though am no longer, my friends are all beliefs, including agnostic, atheist, Buddhist, and what you call pagan. And there are many people who study various religions for their historical value, simple curiosity, or research for writing.
OT but have you ever read Carol Berg, by chance? |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 22:48:36
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| I think I've actually heard of him. What kind of stuff does he write? |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 23:19:22
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SHE writes different fantasy novels.
The Books of the Rai-kirah:
"The arrogant heir to a desert empire and an enslaved sorcerer beset by haunted memories explore the roots of history, the price of destiny, and the transforming power of the human spirit..."
They were very well done - not a normal battle of demons and angels...
The Lighthouse Duet (Flesh and Spirit and Breath and Bone)
"A stolen book of maps plunges a renegade sorcerer into a world of secret societies, doomsayers, fanatics, princes, and madmen. Yet only in the twilight of myth does he discover the truth of the coming dark age and the glorious, terrible price of the land's redemption . . . and his own."
I think these would be more to your liking. They deal with fey creatures and old gods as one might find in Celtic mythology. Sidhe I think it is... I forget. I really enjoyed Breath and Bone a lot.
Also Song of the Beast- which I thought was absolutely amazing and deals with dragons and the like.
"To discover the truth of his brutal imprisonment, a musician must unlock the mind of his god and the heart of his enemy...
She wrote others, but I have not read them. |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2011 : 23:56:41
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Woops! My mind registered her asna he fr sme reason. And you're right about the fery being the Sidhe :) They sound very interestig. Are there any books that you knownof that have Nicnevin in them or they Seelie court fey? Plus homosexual characters always bring my attention too :D
But back on subject. The Celtic religions tend to have dark and lght sides, and are generally practiced ntogether. Dark Magic =Left Hand magic
vice-versa for right hand |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 00:26:13
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I don't recall Nicnevin, but Carol Berg, I think,uses the Seelie Court. She has a lot of novels and I have read too much since then.
I never read it, but there is one called Tithe: A Modern Faerie Tale that might fit what you mean.
I know I like Lynn Flewelling's Nightrunner series. She has some different magic and elves and the like and the main characters are homosexual.
Mercedes Lackey doesn't deal with the fey so much, but her Last Herald Mage series has a homosexual main character, and I really enjoyed the story.
Perhaps just do a google search with those parameters. You might be surprised. |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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ChieftainTwilight
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 00:58:54
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meh.. I identify as a Chaos Shaman. I do believe in the Pagan Gods, in fact I make alot of prayers to Odin, Loki, the Valkerie, and most importantly a Goddess whom I refer to as "Mother", whom I relate as the Morrigan. I also believe in "The One", being my interpretation of YHWH/Jehova/Allah, but honestly much more akin to a Hindu version of God (being a litteral animating energy within everything). I also recognize and pray to the Spirits, as in Shinto and other Animist religions.
I'm more than eccentric, I know. I've heard alot of folks spew anger at me, mainly fundamentalists who say I just wanna take and choose to be cool or something, or atheists who tell me that I'm stupid to want a religion etcetera... none of them get it though. I'm not religious. I'm not going to blinded by some stupid dogma. >.> I'm gonna learn and grow, and I just happen to be at a point in my life where for th epast half a decade I could not deny the existence of the Divine. and I am learning more and more about the Metaphysical makeup of the Universe. my views may very well change in the following yeas, and I am ok with that.
so yeh. that's what I have to say. I don't like to be labled as a Pagan, because I feel I am very different from what many folks think of when they hear "Pagan"... but I also know that atheists and christians are both very likely to not know the difference, or care about it for that matter, anyway. |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:09:33
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I absutely adore Tithe!!!! I love the whole Modern Faerie Tale series!!!! Nicnevin is in it but she's kinda painted as the bad guy in it... And she dies!!!!! Holl Black killed my goddes!!!! I stil love Holly Black though lol
@Chieftain Twilight I >.> I stick to one cultural group. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:21:22
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I prefer historical and reconstructive pagan studies, dry academia by stuffy professorial types. Nigel Pennick is perhaps my favourite authority on the topics of folklore and pagan (and neo-pagan) religions.
Pagans, or at the least a handful of Wiccans, can often be contacted through your local talismonger (typically an occult book store which also sells crystals, wands, athames, and other such stuff). |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:24:16
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| Not spoutig any flames but I hate Wicca with a purple passion. It goes angainst everything the ancient peope set up. Especially that stupid three foldlaw. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:34:00
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| Man, You really need to keep your prejudices to yourself. It's fine to talk about your dislike of elves, orcs or vampires here, but keep your opinions on real world cultural and religious groups away from here. There are plenty of sites on the internet for hate rhetoric. |
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Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:41:08
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| Well I did say I wasn't spouting any flames anyone...... I don't quite mean tocome nof lke that, it's just that I habe strong opinions about things. |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:42:06
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| And I love Elves and Vampires.......... |
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Brynweir
Senior Scribe
USA
436 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:48:13
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Not spoutig any flames but I hate Wicca with a purple passion. It goes angainst everything the ancient peope set up. Especially that stupid three foldlaw.
You can't say you don't mean to flame and then turn around and call someone's faith or beliefs stupid. You are entitled to your opinions, but this is not the place, and that is not the appropriate way to express your thoughts. Not cool. Not cool at all. |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 01:57:31
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| Ok, so my foot sometimes likes to live in my mouth but I'm not settig out to be ateful towards a belief here (even though I may feel that way at times) but please bear with me, I tend to be quite traditional in most things and want to keep cultures, beliefs, etc to how they havebeen. Sorry if I upset anyone unintentionaly. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Mar 2011 : 02:33:32
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Okay, I was a little weary about such a heavily real-world discussion topic popping up here. And the last few replies have only served to reinforce that weariness.
As such, I think it appropriate to seal this scroll now.
*Casts Seal Scroll* |
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