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Imp
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 21:23:12
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How do elves treat sex and sexuality?
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sfdragon
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 21:32:00
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modesty is for humans
..... ummmmm...... well... I wonder if this topic was in the 2e complete elves book....I"ll look later.
but the discription of moon elves says that this branch wears loose clothing. so yuo can almost paint a picture on how the moon elves treat sexuality.... and the sun elves.... well.... I'll get back to yu unless someone else does.
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 21:37:56
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| The Tel'Quessir regard sexuality (if you mean by sexual orientation) as natural. Sexuality in general, the Ar'Tel'Quessir are more in their own race. Ruar'Tel'Quessir, Aril'Tel'Quessir, and other reclusive Tel'Quessir sub races are more than like this as well. Teu'Tel'Quessir, however, have been known to create a high number of (!%£$*) half-elves. Having sex in general is something, it seems, is okay with them, as long as they keep their dignity about. |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 23:28:21
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 23:37:14
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Another one of these threads?
If you don't have anything relevant to post, don't post. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 01:48:03
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Originally posted by Imp
How do elves treat sex and sexuality?
For dominance, pleasure, and procreation. Not necessarily in that order. Remember their so called "Spider's Kiss"? |
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 02:24:52
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Imp
How do elves treat sex and sexuality?
For dominance, pleasure, and procreation. Not necessarily in that order. Remember their so called "Spider's Kiss"?
I said elves, not drow. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 02:31:48
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There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 02:53:02
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| well elves are pleasure ,art, abd procreation |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:03:20
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Originally posted by Dennis
There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg.
Elves are good. Drow are evil. Two distinct societies. That's enough of a difference. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:05:41
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Another one of these threads?
If you don't have anything relevant to post, don't post.
I believe this has already been discussed in many scrolls. If you do a search you would find them. Further the basic answer has been provided that tends to apply to elves. Marriage is optional, exploration common in ways of pleasure. There clearly is no set rule as each decides for themselves how to explore their sexuality. |
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"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:11:25
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| I did search. Maybe not hard enough, because I didn't find an answer. If you know of a thread that has answers then give a link. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:11:58
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by Dennis
There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg.
Elves are good. Drow are evil. Two distinct societies. That's enough of a difference.
Elves are good? I must have read the wrong books.
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Anyway, in RotA, the Evareskans seem to be so "open and playful" in their sexual activities. Even a simple game can turn into something sensual, to the embarrassment of humans. |
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:23:46
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Anyway, in RotA, the Evareskans seem to be so "open and playful" in their sexual activities. Even a simple game can turn into something sensual, to the embarrassment of humans.
Return of the Archwizards? Novel... I was afraid that the info I need would be in novel(s). Unfortunately I don't have time to read whole novels for a couple of bits of knowledge. *sigh* It seems I will have to wing it. At least from what you say about RotA, I know that I'm not that far with my ideas. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:27:28
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Originally posted by Imp
I did search. Maybe not hard enough, because I didn't find an answer. If you know of a thread that has answers then give a link.
Alas I know of many, some of the information is in answers from Ed, others came up during discussion of Drow. The topic drift that occurs from time to time. In many ways I can not point you to a specific scroll because your very question is vague.
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How do elves treat sex and sexuality?
With joy and acceptance of being part of nature, could be one answer provided. As already indicated there is little discrimination against orientation, as long as one not forced. Oh in the Realms this also tends to apply to humans, orcs, dragons and so on. In the end it does come down to it depends, a Paladin certainly might have problem with free love (depending on deity) and certain societies certainly can require marriage. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 03:46:28
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Originally posted by Imp
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Anyway, in RotA, the Evareskans seem to be so "open and playful" in their sexual activities. Even a simple game can turn into something sensual, to the embarrassment of humans.
Return of the Archwizards? Novel... I was afraid that the info I need would be in novel(s). Unfortunately I don't have time to read whole novels for a couple of bits of knowledge. *sigh* It seems I will have to wing it. At least from what you say about RotA, I know that I'm not that far with my ideas.
I think Kentinal has the right of it. It really depends. In RotA, Keya (an elf) made love with a certain Vasaan (a human, whose name escapes me at the moment). It may be an exception to the rule, or simply an indication that some elves do not exactly discriminate on races when choosing their lovers. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 04:18:30
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by Dennis
There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg.
Elves are good. Drow are evil. Two distinct societies. That's enough of a difference.
Elves are good? I must have read the wrong books.
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Anyway, in RotA, the Evareskans seem to be so "open and playful" in their sexual activities. Even a simple game can turn into something sensual, to the embarrassment of humans.
By Helm, not this again |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 18:05:47
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by Dennis
There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg.
Elves are good. Drow are evil. Two distinct societies. That's enough of a difference.
By your reasoning Drow would be good too, since drow are ELVES  Is Drizzt evil? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 18:17:21
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by Dennis
There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg.
Elves are good. Drow are evil. Two distinct societies. That's enough of a difference.
By your reasoning Drow would be good too, since drow are ELVES Is Drizzt evil?
Maybe we can get back on the original topic? |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 18:42:27
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As has been discussed elsewhere, elves tend to be more open/accepting as regards sexuality than humans. As members of a long-lived race with a long, long history, they've evolved culturally to the point where they just don't have as many hang-ups about it.
Marriage (which they call "hand-fasting") generally isn't a pre-requisite for love-making, but rather the establishment of a house. Among the elves, such a bond is hardly the pseudo-permanent affair that it is for humans. Elves find it unusual to devote yourself entirely to a single person (though it's very romantic to love someone that much).
This is not to say that elves are necessarily swingers/"free love" types--their society just tends to be much more open about it, and sex isn't stigmatized the same way it is in the RW.
Which is not to say they AREN'T sticks in the mud on certain points regarding sex/love. For isntance, sun elves in particular will glare down their noses at "improper lovers" (non-sun elves, humans, etc).
Drow are a different subject, and I understood the original post to be asking about surface elves, rather than drow. There's no need to antagonize the OP.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 18:52:50
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Considering that humans in the Realms are already more accepting of sexuality than humans in real life, wouldn't this mean that elves and humans aren't that much different in the Realms?
I keep getting the feeling that when people say "more accepting" that they're comparing real world humans to Faerun elves. And sure, yes. But what's the difference between Faerun humans and Faerun elves?
I mean, from Ed's writings and such - I don't get the impression that humans have many hangups or prejudices at all, unless they're in a specific religious group or order. But if we're saying the elves are even more accepting than Faerun humans, that kinda would sound like "free love"... and I don't get that perception at all from novels or game materials, unless you're talking about the pleasure dens of the drow where pretty much anything goes. But that's kinda a culture-specific thing, I'd argue.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 19:01:12
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Originally posted by Therise
Considering that humans in the Realms are already more accepting of sexuality than humans in real life, wouldn't this mean that elves and humans aren't that much different in the Realms?
I keep getting the feeling that when people say "more accepting" that they're comparing real world humans to Faerun elves. And sure, yes. But what's the difference between Faerun humans and Faerun elves?
I mean, from Ed's writings and such - I don't get the impression that humans have many hangups or prejudices at all, unless they're in a specific religious group or order. But if we're saying the elves are even more accepting than Faerun humans, that kinda would sound like "free love"... and I don't get that perception at all from novels or game materials, unless you're talking about the pleasure dens of the drow where pretty much anything goes. But that's kinda a culture-specific thing, I'd argue.
This is interesting, the general sense I have received is that indeed humans of FR tend to be less condemning then RW humans of same actions, elves had tended to be in someways freer in affection at times. There again an elf might consider the idea for 5 to 10 years before deciding to act as well. The aging rate certainly a factor and it clearly still comes down to the nature of the elf or human.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 19:20:05
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I'd love for the source books to delve into more of the "social" aspects of Realms live, but certainly in the 2nd edition it was very puritanical stuff (as we've discussed here before). I wondered if the later source material that I haven't purchased (3rd or 4th edition) speaks on sexuality a bit more openly than the G rated 2nd edition--okay other than Ed's lusty sisters walking around nude all the time! God love 'em.
Certainly the novels have become more graphic (or perhaps that is just my interpretation!)
I have purchased RotA Omnibus but haven't read it just yet; and I've not seen much in the way of Elven sexuality outside of the Drow in the Drizzt Series (Homeland has that orgy for instance at graduation).
My view on surface elves in the Realms is that with each other they are very open sexually but with outsiders (non pure elves) they would hide it and appear repressed?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 19:24:53
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 20:26:07
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Originally posted by Therise
Considering that humans in the Realms are already more accepting of sexuality than humans in real life, wouldn't this mean that elves and humans aren't that much different in the Realms?
I keep getting the feeling that when people say "more accepting" that they're comparing real world humans to Faerun elves. And sure, yes. But what's the difference between Faerun humans and Faerun elves?
I mean, from Ed's writings and such - I don't get the impression that humans have many hangups or prejudices at all, unless they're in a specific religious group or order. But if we're saying the elves are even more accepting than Faerun humans, that kinda would sound like "free love"... and I don't get that perception at all from novels or game materials, unless you're talking about the pleasure dens of the drow where pretty much anything goes. But that's kinda a culture-specific thing, I'd argue.
Good point. I think the main difference is in the perceived connection to partners. As I see it, for a FR human, one's love-life is grounded in one (or possibly multiple) partner. You might dally with others from time to time (which isn't nearly as stigmatized as it is in the RW), but your erotic life orbits one or more particular people that you have developed extremely strong ties with (through a marriage or just a strong bond). When one of those ties is severed, you suffer tremendous emotional pain and might feel as though a part of you is cut off.
For an elf, who lives so very long and meets so many people, this concept is somewhat foreign. Of course people are going to come into and leave your life--that is simply the way of it. The notion of tying yourself to one of those people is strange, because it basically cuts you off from everyone else that you will meet. I see elves as indulging more in long-term love affairs than marriages. A love affair might last decades, but to an elf, that's a pleasant season, not a lifetime. And when it's over, the elves part amicably and without stigma.
There's no such thing as elven "divorce": you just naturally move away from a lover over time, and there's no shame in "downgrading" one's relationship (nothing gets dissolved--you can still become lovers at some later date). And this is not to say that elves don't love as passionately (or more) than humans--they're just more open about the ebb and flow of relationships. When a loved one dies, an elf mourns with a deep, soul-wrenching sorrow, but ultimately moves on, knowing that the one he/she loved would want that.
I think this makes elves a little more casual/go-with-the-flow about love and sex, and humans a little more serious/this-means-something about it. Maybe I've just defined elves as being "free-love," I suppose. Though I don't think it's the same thing, because "free-love" is a reaction against one's cultural impetus to have "love-as-attachment." Elves simply have "love-as-pleasant-company."
Elves also tend to be more content with accepting and showing off their bodies than humans, who may or may not be ashamed but are at least more private about themselves.
All this is particularly significant in scenes where you have humans and elves come into contact in matters of sexuality, such as that scene in RotA. Barring racial hang-ups or snobbery, an elf thinks little of openly (some might say brazenly) pursuing someone he/she finds attractive, and sometimes delights in that making the object of his/her affection uncomfortable. It's all flirtation to an elf.
Elves who have relationships with humans treat them more or less like relationships with other elves, except that the human is probably going to die when it ends, at which point the elf will move on (after a grieving period appropriate to that elf). The important thing is that they were together and happy, not that the elf sacrifices the rest of his/her life in the human's memory.
That's how I see it, anyway.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 21:25:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
I believe it is more cause and effect - Faerûn humans are more tolerant sexually BECAUSE Elves are. 35K+ years of interaction, something besides magic must have 'rubbed off'.
I don't think that's the main reason. Elves just aren't that ubiquitous. I think it has far more to do with being a polytheistic society, and the sheer variety of competing faiths. No one faith is in "ascendance" for it to say what is morally right and wrong. Instead, you have a pantheon that acts more like a dim sum dinner of morality.
Although people are more aware of the behavior and expectations of different cultures in the Realms, people tend to cling to their own culture for behavioral norms. And in the case of the western faiths of Faerun, sexuality doesn't hit the register of importance for any deity, really. Except Sune and Sharess, who are all about sharing love and pleasure. Not one evil deity, AFAIK, says "don't do this" in terms of sex. So it's a polytheistic society of "hey, whatever floats your boat" really.
I think the only Faerunian secular laws about sex pertain to abuse, of either adults or children. But even then, certain pleasure dens in Skullport... well, you know.
I'd say the only similarities between real humans and Faerun humans is the "couples raising children tend to stay together" and honestly if they lived as long as elves they probably would end up having just as many relationships as the elves. So it's more about: polytheism, raising children, and lifetime expectancy.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 22:32:33
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Originally posted by Imp
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Originally posted by Dennis
There's little difference. They're hatched from the same egg.
Elves are good. Drow are evil. Two distinct societies. That's enough of a difference.
Elves are EVIL. They just hide it better. At least the Drow are honest and upfront about their evil. |
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jan 2012 : 23:28:18
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sfdragon
Great Reader
2285 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 03:47:23
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no no no
elves are not evil.... they just are chaotic and drow are up front about their own chaosism |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 14:32:36
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Originally posted by sfdragon
no no no
elves are not evil.... they just are chaotic and drow are up front about their own chaosism
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