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Arcanus
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 Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 15:06:17
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 15:30:54
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Originally posted by Arcanus
I know that elves like the tips of their ears tickled.
LOL! I actually remember reading about this in a Realms novel when Storm Silverhand was doing that to a male elf lover. Stormlight perhaps? |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 17:50:51
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| I remember a scene where a female elf was teaching Elminster how to do all that..... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 18:00:00
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| It's also mentioned in one of Elaine's books. The Dream Spheres, I believe. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 23:30:33
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Originally posted by Arcanus
I know that elves like the tips of their ears tickled.
Indeed. As do humans, anyway---though probably their ears are not as sensitive as the elves'. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 06:13:57
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I seem to think I've included the ears bit in one of my books, too.
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 14:24:46
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 14:31:29
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Originally posted by Thauranil
Elves are so hot! I want to marry one!
Lol, half-elves are hot too but won't outlive you by centuries  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 15:42:13
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Yeah, an a beautiful Elf-lass that marries a human male will have to look at his old, fat, ugly arse in about 50 years, when she is still young and beautiful.
I think what you are looking at is a whole lot of heartache, unless the relationship is both casual and temporary (from an Elven point of view, like years and years).
I find it nearly impossible to contribute to these types of threads in anything more then a purely speculative manner - demi-humans are NOT humans, they are aliens. Their emotions should not even work the same way, IMHO.
I had more, but then I realized I was treading into the dangerous "this is how I feel fantasy settings should be" grounds, and really, thats all any of us can do, which means everyone's tastes will cloud their opinions on the matter. I think 'Elven Sexuality' is just one of the many things a DM should spin his (or her) own way. It probably even varies amongst groups (I could see some insular Wild Elven tribes being very prudish). |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 15:51:22
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Originally posted by Markustay
Yeah, an a beautiful Elf-lass that marries a human male will have to look at his old, fat, ugly arse in about 50 years, when she is still young and beautiful.
I think what you are looking at is a whole lot of heartache, unless the relationship is both casual and temporary (from an Elven point of view, like years and years).
I don't think elves are as appearance-driven as humans are. I explored this concept in my novel Depths of Madness, where I had a human male wizard and a female elf cleric who'd been together something like 50 years, and she loved him as much then as now. In fact, the one who had the hang-ups about his appearance and age was the human, which I think is reflective of a human insecurity about whether one pleases one's partner in terms of appearance/age/body shape/etc. I think elves find such concerns trivial or downright nonsensical.
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I find it nearly impossible to contribute to these types of threads in anything more then a purely speculative manner - demi-humans are NOT humans, they are aliens. Their emotions should not even work the same way, IMHO.
Well, I think there's some familiarity--elves have a certain human-like resonance that makes them interesting, relatable characters. If we don't have anything in common with them, they become monsters, rather than people. I think elves are definitely people too! 
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 16:04:23
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Well. If all we can do is speculate about elven sexuality, then please, provide YOUR take on it. How are you presenting this aspect of elven lives/society (if at all)?
If I had to make it my way, it would be pretty similar to how Book of Erotic Fantasy presents elves. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 : 16:11:32
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*meh*
Thats where we differ. I think Elves are monsters. I prefer a humanocentric setting, where 'others' are looked at with suspicion, fear, and awe. The fantastic becomes commonplace, it is no longer interesting, IMHO.
Think about how different our world would be with Elves in it. First off, you probably wouldn't need archaelogists - you could just ask the Elves. Imagine speaking to someone who attended a Roman Gladiatorial combat. It just changes EVERYTHING.
And besides, in a real life situation, we or the Elves would have killed each other off long ago - humans can't get along with humans who are 'different' - how could we share a world with another species? I understand that Toril isn't Earth, and I'm looking at this through lenses filtered by my RW perceptions, but I think I know a little about human nature - we are greedy, and we don't like to share. Its encoded in our DNA. We are not herd animals - we are predators; we hunt. Elves would all be dead, enslaved (there's your 'Elven sexuality'), or living in armed camps and/or reservations.
Unfortunately, I could be dead wrong where a fantasy world is concerned, because the other half of human nature is cooperation against mutual threats (which historically included other human groups). This means that the existence of goblinoids, giants, dragons, etc could have allowed for a lot of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentally to creep-in, over the course of 35K+ years.
Bottom line is, we just don't know.
EDIT: This post was in response to Erik, not Imp. Man, this site is hoppin' these days!
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 20:03:10
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Well, I think there's some familiarity--elves have a certain human-like resonance that makes them interesting, relatable characters. If we don't have anything in common with them, they become monsters, rather than people. I think elves are definitely people too!
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Originally posted by Markustay
*meh*
Thats where we differ. I think Elves are monsters. I prefer a humanocentric setting, where 'others' are looked at with suspicion, fear, and awe. The fantastic becomes commonplace, it is no longer interesting, IMHO.
Think about how different our world would be with Elves in it. First off, you probably wouldn't need archaelogists - you could just ask the Elves. Imagine speaking to someone who attended a Roman Gladiatorial combat. It just changes EVERYTHING.
And besides, in a real life situation, we or the Elves would have killed each other off long ago - humans can't get along with humans who are 'different' - how could we share a world with another species? I understand that Toril isn't Earth, and I'm looking at this through lenses filtered by my RW perceptions, but I think I know a little about human nature - we are greedy, and we don't like to share. Its encoded in our DNA. We are not herd animals - we are predators; we hunt. Elves would all be dead, enslaved (there's your 'Elven sexuality'), or living in armed camps and/or reservations.
Unfortunately, I could be dead wrong where a fantasy world is concerned, because the other half of human nature is cooperation against mutual threats (which historically included other human groups). This means that the existence of goblinoids, giants, dragons, etc could have allowed for a lot of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentally to creep-in, over the course of 35K+ years.
Bottom line is, we just don't know.
EDIT: This post was in response to Erik, not Imp. Man, this site is hoppin' these days!
And I love it!!!
I love it too... I'm just finding this scroll now, and I'd like to respectfully agree with both Erik and Mark. Elves ARE monsters, and that's precisely what makes them human, because we're monsters too, as Mark points out. And I don't need a RW context for this; look at what the Shoons did in the South, not to mention what the Zhents have done across the heartlands. Not that I'm a misanthrope or anything, but... well, maybe just a little bit. But then, Mark has presented a very good argument in favour of misanthropy, which I would like to extend just a bit; apologies if this gets too RW, but I'll keep specifics out of it. Humans aren't herd animals, but our society has undertaken the task of herding us, against our natures, into larger and larger cities, and as this happens, our predatory instincts get stressed out, and some of us snap; this is why larger cities have higher crime rates *per person* (not per square mile; that goes without saying) than more rural areas; we're trying to put the beast into a cage that's too small for it, and it busts loose. Anyway, this scroll has been pulled completely off topic now; sorry.
Edit: Hopefully this makes some useful points about higher-density populations that can be used in the Realms, but as Mark points out, with such a variety of other intelligent races, would human psychology even still be recognizably human to us? (For the same reasons Mark mentions above.) |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 25 Jan 2012 : 21:04:33
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Good points all, Mark and Jakk. My posts in this thread have been about how elves have been presented in Realmslore up until this point (particularly Elaine's work and Denning's RotA, as well as game product), which I see as "human-esque." Fantasy has a real tendency to "Star Trek-ize" elves, dwarves, etc., i.e., make demi-humans into basically humans with pointy ears and different cultural traditions. Rarely do we get into the psychology of those races in a way that makes them seem sociologically "different."
In my writing, I tend to use a lot of humans, because they lend themselves to the themes I'm going for. When I use demihumans, I try to strike a balance between making them relatable AND different.
In my non-Realms work, when I write about a non-human character, it's definitely NOT human.
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Originally posted by Imp
If I had to make it my way, it would be pretty similar to how Book of Erotic Fantasy presents elves.
This, FTW. I regularly refer to this book to run my games.
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 00:12:21
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| I hated that book..... |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 00:46:06
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Spam knocks us off topic!
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Originally posted by sfdragon
I hated that book.....
Well . . .
I hated Twilight.
The book, of course--not my own character.
The Fox-at-Twilight is awesome.
And an elf.
With the sexuality.
See? Back on topic!
Cheers
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 03:08:21
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| Thanks Erik. Gotta watch out for those pesky spamers. |
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 03:30:25
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Spam knocks us off topic!
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
I hated that book.....
Well . . .
I hated Twilight.
The book, of course--not my own character.
The Fox-at-Twilight is awesome.
And an elf.
With the sexuality.
See? Back on topic!
Cheers
Twilight sucks......
the series not your character.
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 06:57:43
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Originally posted by Markustay
Yeah, an a beautiful Elf-lass that marries a human male will have to look at his old, fat, ugly arse in about 50 years, when she is still young and beautiful.
I think what you are looking at is a whole lot of heartache, unless the relationship is both casual and temporary (from an Elven point of view, like years and years).
Look at it this way: when you are old and ugly and have a fat arse at least you'd have a beautiful elf lass to look at! |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 07:05:14
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Originally posted by Markustay
*meh*
Thats where we differ. I think Elves are monsters. I prefer a humanocentric setting, where 'others' are looked at with suspicion, fear, and awe. The fantastic becomes commonplace, it is no longer interesting, IMHO.
There is a lot of elven/human conflict in the Realms(look at Tethyr and Sembia)and if the elves exist its not because the humans there are nicer but because the elves have managed to hold off the human hordes.Because they had the strength and fortitude to defend their kingdoms from the legions of rapacious humans.So would we try to exterminate the elves in our world?Certainly!Would we be able to?That is another question.... |
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Charles Phipps
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 07:35:38
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Eh, I think that it's silly to make elves and dwarves inhuman.
I think of Demihumans as existing to replace ethnicities.
In fantasy life, it's hard to get the kind of racial tension and classicism you might in RL.
So, I like to use elves and humans to talk about race in the Realms.
Ditto goblins. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 01:21:10
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I've always considered Robin Laws' article in Dragon #279 "Leaf and Thorn: The Secret Life of Elves" to be canon for D&D-type elves, as long as it did not contradict any Realms-specific information.
In that article, it is made explicit that elves view sexual experimentation with their peers in the same way that they view sharing a meal with them, or, alternatively, that sexual pleasure is no more or less important than the pleasure of learning the names of all the animals in the forest, walking all its paths or tasting the juice of all its berries.
Elven adolescents of both sexes experiment with each other and varying sexual acts in all kinds of combinations, secure in the knowledge that elves are extremely unlikely to become pregnant from a single sexual encounter with each other* and even less likely in these early years of adolescence. Of course, even if a child resulted, by some phenomenal bad luck, it would in no way reflect poorly on anyone involved and probably be eagerly seized by the grandparents or elder siblings, to raise while the parents are still too emotionally immature to handle such duties.
*Elves are sexually active for several centuries of their lives. If elves are truly becoming fewer in number over time, it seems very unlikely that the typical elven female bears more than one to two children over her lifetime. Even if it were three or four, it wouldn't change the fact that conception results from an almost insignificant fraction of sexual encounters among elves. Oddly, elf-human sexual encounters appear to be much more fertile, suggesting that elven male sperm is the cause for low fertility rates among elves. |
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Eladrinstar
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 04:14:04
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Oddly, elf-human sexual encounters appear to be much more fertile, suggesting that elven male sperm is the cause for low fertility rates among elves.[/size=1]
Hold on now, what does that have to do with the sperm? Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf? |
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Icelander
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 06:53:03
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Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Hold on now, what does that have to do with the sperm? Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
I thought it was a well known phenomenon, that half-elven children appeared to be disproportionally descended from elf mothers.
Can't remember where I saw it, but I've even read some more-or-less serious analysis about it. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 13:41:00
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Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Hold on now, what does that have to do with the sperm? Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
-Because what red blooded male wouldn't want some Elf babe? What kind of Elf man would want a nasty Human woman when he could have an Elven woman? |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 14:54:40
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
-Because what red blooded male wouldn't want some Elf babe? What kind of Elf man would want a nasty Human woman when he could have an Elven woman?
Poor elf guys. 
Thinking on it, I think the human + elf relationships in my work have been largely human man + elf woman, though half-elven men get around a fair bit.
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Jakk
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 16:19:07
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Hold on now, what does that have to do with the sperm? Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
I thought it was a well known phenomenon, that half-elven children appeared to be disproportionally descended from elf mothers.
Can't remember where I saw it, but I've even read some more-or-less serious analysis about it.
It makes sense... with a race whose individuals live for an average of a millennium, you don't want human fertility rates... even with the Crown Wars, the elven population would far outstrip the human population in the post-ToT Realms without something keeping fertility in check, but I don't think it needs to be specifically on the male side. Maybe human sperm are simply naturally more aggressive (fitting with the shorter human lifespan) and human ova are naturally more receptive. That would explain the higher fertility rates for half-elves of both genders. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Hold on now, what does that have to do with the sperm? Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
-Because what red blooded male wouldn't want some Elf babe? What kind of Elf man would want a nasty Human woman when he could have an Elven woman?
LK, your logic is unassailable. I bow to your wisdom. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 16:24:11
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
-Because what red blooded male wouldn't want some Elf babe? What kind of Elf man would want a nasty Human woman when he could have an Elven woman?
Poor elf guys.
-They "naturally" get those Elf babes, so they're doing well enough for themselves. As long as they stay clear of the zoophelia, they're good. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 21 Mar 2012 : 16:54:40
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote:
Originally posted by Eladrinstar
Hold on now, what does that have to do with the sperm? Why assume most elf-human sexual encounters have a male human and a female elf?
-Because what red blooded male wouldn't want some Elf babe? What kind of Elf man would want a nasty Human woman when he could have an Elven woman?
I've seen, in print, at least a couple of male elves that are only too happy to hook up with human women. |
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