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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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 Posted - 27 Aug 2012 : 19:13:48
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
That's a good idea, Brix. I'd love to see something like that implemented as well.
Small products for $10 print, $3 digital would be pretty rock.
Cheers
WOTC should really take notes from PAIZO's Golarion products on this. They manage to make cheap sourcebooks LOADED with information. Maybe they need to move from the massive regional books, and put out a new city or small region everymonth.
Menzoberranzan is a great model to follow. I am so happy with the quality of that book.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2012 : 19:15:48
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As I said, a basic rule-of-thumb should be $1 per ten pages of content, but no single thing should ever be more then 50 pages or so (you NEVER want your customers to have actually weigh their purchasing decisions - they need to take that right out of the equation). 'Bigger' books should be broken down into bite-sized chunks.
This means that the 32 page supplement on Phlan should cost $3, just as Erik says. Major areas of interest (and perhaps compilations) should still be in a print format. I have found, in my own case, that when I download PDFs, a lot of times I will go out and buy a hard copy of the ones I really like. This gives us a 'sample before you buy' paradigm, which works very well in this day and age. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 00:42:09
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Originally posted by Mournblade
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
That's a good idea, Brix. I'd love to see something like that implemented as well.
Small products for $10 print, $3 digital would be pretty rock.
Cheers
WOTC should really take notes from PAIZO's Golarion products on this. They manage to make cheap sourcebooks LOADED with information. Maybe they need to move from the massive regional books, and put out a new city or small region everymonth.
Menzoberranzan is a great model to follow. I am so happy with the quality of that book.
Totally agree with this. I absolutely love pathfinder's adventure paths they have. Great adventures and maps, bestiaries of new monsters seen in the adventure, sometimes a backdrop type article detailing out a city or new area. One of the other things I love is how they make up simple rules for like Kingmaker and running and building your own country or the Shackles & Skulls with simple rules for piracy.
If there's one thing for the Realms I would love to see, is a quality adventure path like Paizo produces, released every month. Imagine two entire campaigns per year. You could have one in Amn or Sembia that is merchant centric, another in the Dales or the Moonsea. How bout the North and a frontier type line? Red wizards of Thay anyone? etc etc.
Pathfinder's adventure path is their flagship product. And why? Because it sells and they're of excellent quality. I really hope wizards looks into their own line of adventure path products, because if done correctly could be down right epic. |
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 01:10:22
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
We have, at this time, no official announcements of products. You can be sure there will be some, but we don't know what they are yet. Those decisions are still being made.
So this is the time to advocate for what you want! WotC is listening. 
Cheers
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 01:23:20
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 01:30:25
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*raises hand* Ooh! Me!
Anywho, I like MT's ideas, Paizo seems to be handling things very well in that department, and I would also love to see WotC do something like their map-packs, too. I sometimes visit their site just to check out the latest oens. Maps of the Realms, whether of small towns, adventure sites, or even building interiors, wou;d all be great. Who wouldn't love to see the layout of Candlekeep's library and catacombs in a map-pack? Or some region like a sea elven domain in the Sea of Fallen Stars, or a dwarven ruin under the Great Rift? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 20:13:47
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How about bringing Liriel back, in a D&D-style adventure novel featuring all girls? Unfortunately, a lot of the ones I'd love to have seen in that are dead, but they're may be a few left to fill the ranks (like fox-at-twilight).
That could even be trilogy-worthy, if handled right. I'm thinking Elaine, Erin, and Erik on that one.
It could also be set in the 'day after' (1386 DR) era, which would open-up at least some of the characters for use (Not Shandril, sadly).
EDIT: I'm a huge proponent for an anthology connected to the sundering story-arc. now I'm thinking 2 anthologies - one just for 'the girls'.
(Realms of Boobmail...  sorry... just couldn't resist...)
EDIT2: And that joke just reminded me of Alias, who is an excellent candidate for such a novel/trilogy/anthology. Or maybe even one or two of her 'sisters'. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 20:56:26
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Originally posted by Markustay
How about bringing Liriel back, in a D&D-style adventure novel featuring all girls? Unfortunately, a lot of the ones I'd love to have seen in that are dead, but they're may be a few left to fill the ranks (like fox-at-twilight).
That could even be trilogy-worthy, if handled right. I'm thinking Elaine, Erin, and Erik on that one.
It could also be set in the 'day after' (1386 DR) era, which would open-up at least some of the characters for use (Not Shandril, sadly).
EDIT: I'm a huge proponent for an anthology connected to the sundering story-arc. now I'm thinking 2 anthologies - one just for 'the girls'.
(Realms of Boobmail... sorry... just couldn't resist...)
EDIT2: And that joke just reminded me of Alias, who is an excellent candidate for such a novel/trilogy/anthology. Or maybe even one or two of her 'sisters'.
The one thing the realms needs more of is LIRIEL BAENRAE. The ONLY bad news so far about the Sundering is that Elaine Cunningham is not one of the authors (Not that I am advocating anyone get replaced). I wish they could add just one more...
But a septad is so awkward...
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3823 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 21:37:06
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| Nah, it isn't awkward. Heck, it is a fairly common superstition that 7 is a lucky number (at least in my country). |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 22:23:44
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Originally posted by Mournblade
<snip>(Not that I am advocating anyone get replaced).
I would. There are only five I plan to read.
Not having Elaine around for 5e is big mistake, IMHO. I can understand why she would be leery (after all, they nuked every place she ever wrote about), but she is one of the few authors I think can write seamlessly beside Ed Greenwood. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 22:52:04
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Originally posted by Irennan
Nah, it isn't awkward. Heck, it is a fairly common superstition that 7 is a lucky number (at least in my country).
I studied for a semester in Sienna Italy. Though I am a molecular biologist I was there to study history. I wish I remembered ANY of the italian I picked up. It is a shame I lost it.
It was an English program so I had to attend Italian classes as I studied the history. One of the best experiences of my life. I tried to keep up but I sadly lost the language.
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2450 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 01:27:59
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| Same here, Markus. Though I wonder whether your five are the same as my five. (and of course all of it is contingent on them making me actually want to read them. So I guess I could say there are only five that I would consider reading). And I kept holding my breath during the keynote for them to announce EC, and it never happened. Big sigh. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 20:27:51
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| One thing I'd like to see return to the Realms if we're going old school grey boxed set is the return of how to pronounce names: Myth Drannor [Myth-DRANN-or] etc. I always liked that included, because certain names can be tricky to say right. Granted I think this all depends on page counts of various books and falls into more of a would be nice to see but not entirely essential. |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 21:16:29
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I vote that the James Brothers co-author their first Realms novel that paralells the Sundering plotline.
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 21:52:58
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Originally posted by Matt James
I vote that the James Brothers co-author their first Realms novel that paralells the Sundering plotline.
Thoughts?
You mean that you two haven't already done a short story covering the Sundering plotline??? |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 15:28:43
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Originally posted by Markustay
How about bringing Liriel back, in a D&D-style adventure novel featuring all girls? Unfortunately, a lot of the ones I'd love to have seen in that are dead, but they're may be a few left to fill the ranks (like fox-at-twilight).
That could even be trilogy-worthy, if handled right. I'm thinking Elaine, Erin, and Erik on that one.
It could also be set in the 'day after' (1386 DR) era, which would open-up at least some of the characters for use (Not Shandril, sadly).
EDIT: I'm a huge proponent for an anthology connected to the sundering story-arc. now I'm thinking 2 anthologies - one just for 'the girls'.
(Realms of Boobmail... sorry... just couldn't resist...)
EDIT2: And that joke just reminded me of Alias, who is an excellent candidate for such a novel/trilogy/anthology. Or maybe even one or two of her 'sisters'.
Ed could write the "anchor" story of +2 for Boobs?
And on a serious note, I really hope we see an anthology of two around The Sundering. If we going to focus on smaller characters, that is a no brainer. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 17:41:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
How about bringing Liriel back, in a D&D-style adventure novel featuring all girls? Unfortunately, a lot of the ones I'd love to have seen in that are dead, but they're may be a few left to fill the ranks (like fox-at-twilight).
That could even be trilogy-worthy, if handled right. I'm thinking Elaine, Erin, and Erik on that one.
It could also be set in the 'day after' (1386 DR) era, which would open-up at least some of the characters for use (Not Shandril, sadly).
"Elminster's Angels"?
The line-up being Liriel Baenre (Starlight and Shadows, arcane), Hallivar (Brimstone Angels series, warrior), and Fox-at-Twilight (Shadowbane series, rogue)?
(Potential alternates/supporting characters would be Alias, Kyriani Agrivar, Storm Silverhand, and/or Arilyn Moonblade.)
I could so get on board with that idea.
And no, no boob-mail, no +2 for boobs, none of that business. Twilight will gladly stab in a sensitive spot any such sexist NPC they meet.
Cheers
P.S. Maybe this deserves its own thread. |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 17:53:52
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I was thinking more of an 'adventuring party', then a 'tale of three women'. Some characters could come and go out of the novels, but I think having an all-girl adventuring party would go a long way to bringing more females to FR and D&D.
Danica (from the The Cleric Quintet) would be another excellent candidate. Storm and/or dove would be a no-brainer (although I think Storm might hog the spotlight, so maybe Dove... she'd wouldn't be a Chosen in 1386 DR). Perhaps throw in a 'bad girl' to round things out; not as a nemesis, but rather as a 'comrade-in-arms during these troubled times'. There's Ashemmi - an obvious choice - and there are a couple of others I can't think of the names for (or don't know the names). Wasn't there a halfway decent Red Wizard involved in the watercourse stuff? I don't want such a story to be composed of all 'goody-goodies' - lots of bad folk worshiped Mystra as well.
Hmmm... I wonder why I automatically assumed that such a group would be looking for what happened to Mystra? That might be the over-arching plot of such a series right there.
Elminster's daugher (Namra) would be another fine candidate (we need a thief for a well-rounded party).
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Originally posted by Matt James
I vote that the James Brothers co-author their first Realms novel that paralells the Sundering plotline.
Thoughts?
Only if you guys adopt me. I'll legally change my last name to 'James'. |
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ErinMEvans
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 23:34:17
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Markustay
How about bringing Liriel back, in a D&D-style adventure novel featuring all girls? Unfortunately, a lot of the ones I'd love to have seen in that are dead, but they're may be a few left to fill the ranks (like fox-at-twilight).
That could even be trilogy-worthy, if handled right. I'm thinking Elaine, Erin, and Erik on that one.
It could also be set in the 'day after' (1386 DR) era, which would open-up at least some of the characters for use (Not Shandril, sadly).
"Elminster's Angels"?
The line-up being Liriel Baenre (Starlight and Shadows, arcane), Hallivar (Brimstone Angels series, warrior), and Fox-at-Twilight (Shadowbane series, rogue)?
(Potential alternates/supporting characters would be Alias, Kyriani Agrivar, Storm Silverhand, and/or Arilyn Moonblade.)
I could so get on board with that idea.
And no, no boob-mail, no +2 for boobs, none of that business. Twilight will gladly stab in a sensitive spot any such sexist NPC they meet.
Cheers
P.S. Maybe this deserves its own thread.
While it sounds liek Markustay is dreaming of a trilogy set in a time she has no place in, I am completely amused by the idea of those two long-lived elf ladies teamed with impatient, impulsive Havilar. Conflict ahoy. :p
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Aug 2012 : 05:52:18
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Realms of Boobs, Book I of the Realms of Humor series. Coming soon, its sequel Realms of Beard. |
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