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CorellonsDevout
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 Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 07:21:51
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If you have not read the Neverwinter trilogy, this will contain spoilers, just a warning.
I have not finished Charon's Claw yet, so maybe it reveals something I do not know yet, but the concept of whether he is dead or not seems up in the air. One minute Drizzt thinks he is gone, the next he thinks there is a possiblity Jarlaxle is alive. At the end of Gauntlgrym, Jarlaxle was insisting Pwent come back to him with Luskan. This indicates that Jarlaxle is alive and escaped being incinerated by the lava. Not only that, but Salvatore hinted that something was going to happen in Bregon D'earthe involving Jarlaxle reclaiming his position, since Kimmuriel had kind of taken over, it seemed. I was so happy Valas Hune made an appearance! I loved him in WotSQ. And in CC, at least what I have read, there are hints that Jarlaxle could be behind some of the unfolding events in the Underdark. Entreri also mentioned Jarlaxle sold him into slavery to the Netherese. Um...when did this happen? The last I remember, these two parted ways just fine in the Sellswords trilogy.
Please do not give the end of CC away, but I would like to know people's thoughts on Jarlaxle, who seems to be behind so much.
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Kris the Grey
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 16:44:50
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| I was of the impression that Jarlaxe had taken the lead back at BDE after the Sellswords Trilogy? He was clearly in charge during the Pirate King. I'll admit I haven't yet read anything beyond the last book of that series, but has he stepped down yet again? And do I have the right of his timing for reclaiming leadership of BDE? |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 18:10:43
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
[...]but the concept of whether he is dead or not seems up in the air. One minute Drizzt thinks he is gone, the next he thinks there is a possiblity Jarlaxle is alive.
There is a scene at the end of Gauntlgrym in which Jarlaxle and Arthrogate both survive the last flare-up from the primordial,
with Jarlaxle throwing a portable hole of holding onto the wall of the primordial's pit, and then levitating himself and the dwarf into it, and then having the last water elemental insulate them from the heat. He then portals them both out of there.
Drizzt couldn't see all of that from his vantage point, though, so as far as he knows, Jar bit the dust. Dahlia keeps needling him on the point, but his sickening sense of optimism  has him hoping she is wrong.
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Entreri also mentioned Jarlaxle sold him into slavery to the Netherese. Um...when did this happen? The last I remember, these two parted ways just fine in the Sellswords trilogy.
I wouldn't say "just fine". Entreri turned his back on Jarlaxle, telling him he didn't care if Jarlaxle died. The drow had just yanked his chain one too many times.
Years later, the drow of Bregan D'aerthe tried to entice Entreri back into the fold by parading his "lover" in front of him. This ended up with three dead drow, and Entreri and whoever-it-was running away. But very shortly after that, she disappeared out of his life, his Netherese sword betrayed him, and he was taken as a slave by Herzgo Alegni.
Entreri's POV or opinion is that Jar must've taken revenge and been behind the assassin ultimately ending up enslaved by the Shadovar. But we don't know if that is true or not. He could simply be grasping at straws, trying to make sense of things, and Jar makes the easiest scapegoat. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 19:02:54
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Originally posted by Kris the Grey
I was of the impression that Jarlaxe had taken the lead back at BDE after the Sellswords Trilogy? He was clearly in charge during the Pirate King. I'll admit I haven't yet read anything beyond the last book of that series, but has he stepped down yet again? And do I have the right of his timing for reclaiming leadership of BDE?
I thought that too, but then in Neverwinter I got the impression he wasn't head honcho again *shrugs* |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 19:07:26
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
[...]but the concept of whether he is dead or not seems up in the air. One minute Drizzt thinks he is gone, the next he thinks there is a possiblity Jarlaxle is alive.
There is a scene at the end of Gauntlgrym in which Jarlaxle and Arthrogate both survive the last flare-up from the primordial,
with Jarlaxle throwing a portable hole of holding onto the wall of the primordial's pit, and then levitating himself and the dwarf into it, and then having the last water elemental insulate them from the heat. He then portals them both out of there.
Drizzt couldn't see all of that from his vantage point, though, so as far as he knows, Jar bit the dust. Dahlia keeps needling him on the point, but his sickening sense of optimism has him hoping she is wrong.
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Entreri also mentioned Jarlaxle sold him into slavery to the Netherese. Um...when did this happen? The last I remember, these two parted ways just fine in the Sellswords trilogy.
I wouldn't say "just fine". Entreri turned his back on Jarlaxle, telling him he didn't care if Jarlaxle died. The drow had just yanked his chain one too many times.
Years later, the drow of Bregan D'aerthe tried to entice Entreri back into the fold by parading his "lover" in front of him. This ended up with three dead drow, and Entreri and whoever-it-was running away. But very shortly after that, she disappeared out of his life, his Netherese sword betrayed him, and he was taken as a slave by Herzgo Alegni.
Entreri's POV or opinion is that Jar must've taken revenge and been behind the assassin ultimately ending up enslaved by the Shadovar. But we don't know if that is true or not. He could simply be grasping at straws, trying to make sense of things, and Jar makes the easiest scapegoat.
That is true, Drizzt wouldn't have known, so it's valid for him to think he's dead. I guess I'm just waiting for him to pop up again lol.
Hmm...I do not remember that at all. I just remember them parting ways at the end of the Sellswords trilogy with Entreri having plans to return to the halfing Dwahavel Twiggerwilis (spelling?). His lover Calihye had already been taken away by the drow. I do not remember the drow later trying to entice him back and then being sold into slavery to the Netherese. When did this happen? Or is it revealed later in Charon's Claw? |
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Seravin
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 20:09:42
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Jarlaxle often leaves Kimmuriel to take leadership of BD when he needs to go meddling on the surface; and then assumes it again when convenient. Kimmuriel has no issues with this and they both respect eachother as much as Drow can, from all I've read.
To people outside of BD, they may assume that saying Kimuriel's name or Jarlaxle's name both mean the leadership of BD as they pass it back and forth on Jarlaxle's whims.
I imagine if Jarlaxle is brought back to the Drizzt story and Artemis is around they will clear up the misunderstanding about selling Artemis into slavery; everyone loves Jartemis working together :)
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 20:28:38
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| I guess I'm just easily confused ^^; |
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BEAST
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 21:26:16
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
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Originally posted by BEAST
I wouldn't say "just fine". Entreri turned his back on Jarlaxle, telling him he didn't care if Jarlaxle died. The drow had just yanked his chain one too many times.
Hmm...I do not remember that at all. I just remember them parting ways at the end of the Sellswords trilogy with Entreri having plans to return to the halfing Dwahavel Twiggerwilis (spelling?). His lover Calihye had already been taken away by the drow.
Just before Entreri mentions Dwahvel, he has this exchange with Jarlaxle:
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"I don’t care where you go," Entreri answered. [...]
"Ah, Artemis," said the drow. "I understand your wounds and your anger, but in the end, you will see that this was all for the best."
"You might be right, but that changes little."
"How so?" asked the drow.
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"I am finished with you," Entreri said. "Your road is your own, and I care not if it takes you to the gates of the Nine Hells."
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"Farewell, Jarlaxle. Or fare ill. It matters not to me."
"But I am your muse."
"I don’t like the songs you inspire." (Road of the Patriarch, Epilogue)
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Years later, the drow of Bregan D'aerthe tried to entice Entreri back into the fold by parading his "lover" in front of him. This ended up with three dead drow, and Entreri and whoever-it-was running away. But very shortly after that, she disappeared out of his life, his Netherese sword betrayed him, and he was taken as a slave by Herzgo Alegni.
Entreri's POV or opinion is that Jar must've taken revenge and been behind the assassin ultimately ending up enslaved by the Shadovar. But we don't know if that is true or not. He could simply be grasping at straws, trying to make sense of things, and Jar makes the easiest scapegoat.
I do not remember the drow later trying to entice him back and then being sold into slavery to the Netherese. When did this happen?
It's told in flashback from Entreri's POV (Gauntlgrym, P1:C7), just before he goes to recon Luskan for Alegni. He's being sent to check on the status of the drow, there, and he's not looking forward to a likely confrontation with them. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
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BEAST
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 21:54:14
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
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Originally posted by Kris the Grey
I was of the impression that Jarlaxe had taken the lead back at BDE after the Sellswords Trilogy? He was clearly in charge during the Pirate King. I'll admit I haven't yet read anything beyond the last book of that series, but has he stepped down yet again? And do I have the right of his timing for reclaiming leadership of BDE?
I thought that too, but then in Neverwinter I got the impression he wasn't head honcho again *shrugs*
Yeah, Jarlaxle and Kimmuriel switch off on the leadership role at Jar's leisure.
In TPK, Jarlaxle pwned Luskan.
But after brokering a deal with Mirabar, he then stepped down again, allowing Kimmuriel to administer the deal; and then Jar's "wanderlust" took over, and he stumbled into the Ghost King and the Spirit Soaring Cathedral (The Ghost King).
At the end of that book, Bruenor and Drizzt task Jar to look for the souls of Catti-brie and Regis. In Gauntlgrym, we're told that Jar searched for clues for nearly 7 decades.
When he segués into the Gauntlgrym quest, Gromph realizes that Jarlaxle has not kept Kimmuriel and Bregan D'aerthe informed of his latest goings-on, out of embarrassment and shame over being duped by Sylora Salm. Jarlaxle procures the services of Valas Hune from Kimmuriel once again, but he still does not give the acting leader of Bregan D'aerthe the full scoop.
In the end, with Arthrogate gravely injured, Jarlaxle plans to bring the dwarf to his drow priests in Luskan to get patched back up again.
So the leadership post volleys back and forth between the two, as Jarlaxle sees fit. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
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Aulduron
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 22:48:27
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| Drizzt doesn't think he's dead, although admits that it's a possibility. Dahlia is pessimistic about it. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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BEAST
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 03:26:17
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Drizzt doesn't think he's dead, although admits that it's a possibility.
I disagree with your assessment.
At the end of Gauntlgrym, after they bury Bruenor and Pwent, Drizzt feels all alone, for now it seems to him that he doesn't even have Jarlaxle to turn to, anymore. There is a quaint passage in there where it says that it had always been reassuring to Drizzt to know that Jarlaxle was out there, somewhere, but now he didn't have that.
And in Neverwinter, it says that as far as Drizzt was concerned, all the Companions, as well as Jarlaxle, were gone, and so, that is part of what drove him to decide to ally himself with Entreri. Entreri is his last known remaining link to the past.
In the meantime, Dahlia heckles Drizzt about it, endlessly. (She is a beeotch like that, Alystra.)
Drizzt, in turn, seems to play devil's advocate with her, arguing the possibility that Jar might've survived, after all. Methinks part of it is just to engage in witty reparté with his new GF; it's foreplay to argue back and forth, a little, as long as nobody gets hurt. But part of it may also be that Drizzt could be in denial, not wanting to fully admit what he rationally thinks is the case.
Both books tell us that he rationally believes that Jar is a goner. It's his emotions which are telling him to believe differently.
How does CC portray Drizzt's and Dahlia's state of mind on this? |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 05:07:21
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
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Originally posted by BEAST
I wouldn't say "just fine". Entreri turned his back on Jarlaxle, telling him he didn't care if Jarlaxle died. The drow had just yanked his chain one too many times.
Hmm...I do not remember that at all. I just remember them parting ways at the end of the Sellswords trilogy with Entreri having plans to return to the halfing Dwahavel Twiggerwilis (spelling?). His lover Calihye had already been taken away by the drow.
Just before Entreri mentions Dwahvel, he has this exchange with Jarlaxle:
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"I don’t care where you go," Entreri answered. [...]
"Ah, Artemis," said the drow. "I understand your wounds and your anger, but in the end, you will see that this was all for the best."
"You might be right, but that changes little."
"How so?" asked the drow.
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"I am finished with you," Entreri said. "Your road is your own, and I care not if it takes you to the gates of the Nine Hells."
[...]
"Farewell, Jarlaxle. Or fare ill. It matters not to me."
"But I am your muse."
"I don’t like the songs you inspire." (Road of the Patriarch, Epilogue)
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
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Originally posted by BEAST
Years later, the drow of Bregan D'aerthe tried to entice Entreri back into the fold by parading his "lover" in front of him. This ended up with three dead drow, and Entreri and whoever-it-was running away. But very shortly after that, she disappeared out of his life, his Netherese sword betrayed him, and he was taken as a slave by Herzgo Alegni.
Entreri's POV or opinion is that Jar must've taken revenge and been behind the assassin ultimately ending up enslaved by the Shadovar. But we don't know if that is true or not. He could simply be grasping at straws, trying to make sense of things, and Jar makes the easiest scapegoat.
I do not remember the drow later trying to entice him back and then being sold into slavery to the Netherese. When did this happen?
It's told in flashback from Entreri's POV (Gauntlgrym, P1:C7), just before he goes to recon Luskan for Alegni. He's being sent to check on the status of the drow, there, and he's not looking forward to a likely confrontation with them.
I remember that exchange in Road of the Patriarch, which is why I was confused, because as far as I was aware, that was the last of their meeting. I do not remember Entreri reflecting on that in Gauntlgrym, and at the time, we did not know it was Entreri until Neerwinter. In fact, I didn't even suspect he was Entreri until Neverwinter. Obviously, I missed something important and it went right over my head ^^; |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 05:13:14
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| Oh, and honestly, I do not like the effect Dahlia has had on Drizzt. I miss the old Drizzt. Plus, the statement about elves not mating for life contradicts what is said in the Last Mythal trilogy. But I suppose that is irrelevant to this thread. Anyway, I hope Jarlaxle returns. |
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Aulduron
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 06:49:09
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* Tiny spoiler, only relevant to Beasts question*
In CC, he finds reason for a little more optimism, but not much. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 06:51:31
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| Okay then :) guess I'll know when I finish reading it. I'm reading several FR books at once, so it's taking me longer to finish each one ^^; |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 07:24:53
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Oh, and honestly, I do not like the effect Dahlia has had on Drizzt. I miss the old Drizzt. Plus, the statement about elves not mating for life contradicts what is said in the Last Mythal trilogy. But I suppose that is irrelevant to this thread. Anyway, I hope Jarlaxle returns.
Not to mention it contradicts half of Evermeet. Queen Amlaruil and King Zaor were married for most of their lives, and faithful to each other, for Arvandor's sake! And she never re-married after his death. Elves not mate for life?! Since WHEN??!! |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 08:38:47
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| Exactly (poor Zaor, I liked him). I'll bet if Catti-brie were an elf and hadn't died in the Spellplague, she and Drizzt would still be together. I doubt after a hundred years an elf couple decides to call things off because it's an "anchor". Sometimes couples will have their own advantures for a few years, but they eventually return to each other. It was one statement in the whole novel, but it really stuck out to me, and I was thinking "what, where did THAT come from? Innovndil (sp?) never said elves don't mate for life!" |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 08:48:37
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| Where was that stated, anyway? I've only read Gauntlegrym, haven't got my hands on Neverwinter yet, and not reading Charon's Claw until I do. Was that something Dahlia said? Cause she's full of crap, then. Or maybe she's just bitter about her own past and the fact that she's never been around otehr elves- her own village was lsaughtered, weren't they? All the men were killed, and all the women raped, IIRC. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 09:03:58
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It was stated at the beginning of Neverwinter in the first of Drizzt's "journal entries" in that book. And yeah, honestly, I don't know what Drizzt sees in Dahlia. She had a bad childhood, to be sure, but it doesn't make me love her. I've loved plenty of other characters with terrible pasts (and have quite a few of my own), but not Dahlia. Catti was so much better. I don't think Drizzt loves Dahlia, I think it is merely lust and intrigue, which is another thing that is different from the old Drizzt.
Totally off topic, but we have the same avatar lol. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 09:29:39
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I noticed, lol! And I agree. What I've seen of her so far just makes me dislike her, to be honest. Granted, I'd probably have done the same in her position- no woman wants to be riminded of what was done to her by being forced to bear the child of her rapist. From a woman's perspective, it's a choice between knowing that that child would eventually be taken away to be raised by that same monster, or doing the most merciful thing possible for it- because what happens when it is older and learns of how it came to be? Eitehr it would hate the motehr for being weak, or hate teh father for what he did, or both. No chance of a decent life there. SHe did what she thought was best- and turned into a slap in the face to the creep who caused it, to boot.
On am different note- am I the only one who even wonders how that was even possible in the first place? Elves can't conceive until they are about 100, so HOW did she even have a child at twelve??!! That would make her like 5 in human terms.... Even in Gauntlegrym, she was still way underage (for an elf) for that to be possible. |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 16:05:25
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It was stated at the beginning of Neverwinter in the first of Drizzt's "journal entries" in that book. And yeah, honestly, I don't know what Drizzt sees in Dahlia. She had a bad childhood, to be sure, but it doesn't make me love her. I've loved plenty of other characters with terrible pasts (and have quite a few of my own), but not Dahlia. Catti was so much better. I don't think Drizzt loves Dahlia, I think it is merely lust and intrigue, which is another thing that is different from the old Drizzt.
Totally off topic, but we have the same avatar lol.
Drizzt feels lost. For the first time since he left the underdark he is truly alone. One by one time has taken his adopted family and loved ones from him.
He feels as if his life has no purpose. What's the point of caring if everybody's going to die anyway? It is a battle between his very highly held morality and his angst over recent tragic events.
In Dhalia, he sees the same bad ethos (to a much greater extent) that he himself is experiencing.
Does Drizzt love Dahlia? Maybe not but he wants to redeem her. If he succeeds he may resolve his inner conflict and return to the "good" Drizzt we have become accustomed to. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 19:33:12
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@Alytsra: I agree, I understand what she wanted for the child (who I have suspicions about, and you might too once you read Neverwinter), but yeah, I just don't her as a character. And yeah, that is a good question!
@Arcanus: yes, I agree that he is lost and alone (poor guy). I still love Drizzt, and he's been through a lot, but it doesn't mean I like how the story is going. That said, perhaps you're right in that if Dahlia is redeemed, perhaps he will find peace again. Still...he could do so much better than her IMO, but she (and Entreri) are all he has right now. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it lol |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 20:10:43
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I think that Dahlia is perfect for Drizzt right now. She constantly questions and belittles his morals, forcing him to look within and find his true self.
Trouble is with Drizzt is that he no longer has a place in the world, no true love or companionship (except Guen) that he surely craves and misses. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 01:57:28
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| See, this is what I always thought the journals were for- so he could think about things like that and work through them on his own. He's never needed anyone else for that before- why should he start now? Dahlia is just a crutch for needing companionship, even if she's like the polar opposite of what he was before. If anything, it's like looking into a mirror of what he's becoming. On a side-note, it almost seems like she is rubbing off on him in a really bad way. I actually almost cheered Jarlaxle when he gave Drizzt that little slap in the face/wake-up call of a lecture in Gauntlegrym. (You all know the one I mean...) He hit the nail on the head with that one. I'm surprised that Drizzy hasn't taken it more to heart by now (unless he has in the NW and CC books...). |
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 02:28:23
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In any fight, what does Jarl favor/use more? Magic or blades? [I'm thinking of giving Drizzt and Co. books a try someday.] |
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 02:34:07
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He favors tricking someone else into doing his dirty work for him.  |
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 02:59:19
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Okay. But when he's forced to do the dirty work himself (which I gather he'd done, otherwise he'd be a very boring character just staying aloof in the background), what does he favor? Steel or magic? |
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Markustay
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 03:12:09
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I would say magic, because it helps him accomplish what I said above. He is the type that much rather gets what he want by trickery (including magic) then by 'getting his hands dirty'.
Its not that he isn't an excellent swordsman - its just that he feels its too... crude? He is an artist, and his medium is people. Clubbing someone over the head lacks the subtlety he so enjoys.
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 03:20:13
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Hmm. I might like him. Though I have to work really hard into trying to accept Drizzt. In the one book I read (and didn't finish) where Drizzt donned a prominent role, I couldn't bring myself to like him. But one day, only Bane knows when, I'll get over these biases. I just feel that I'm missing a rather big chunk of FR lore by ignoring dozens of novels to avoid some characters. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 03:59:39
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| Umm...I think magic, though I believe he's used blades before. |
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Jarlaxle *possible spoilers*
