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jaciris
Acolyte
Philippines
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 Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 14:57:52
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Who are the most powerful dragons in Faerum( dead or alive)??
( powerful = in terms of might, magic, economically, political...etc in all terms )
What specific sub-race of Dragon is the most powerful
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2004 : 17:20:45
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Statistic-wise, gold dragons are the most powerful race of dragon, followed closeley by the reds.
Write-ups on powerful dragons can be found here:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/archive.asp?x=dnd/fr_wn,3
These are the Wyrms of the North articles. |
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Maecenus of Westgate
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 02:11:14
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Although it's difficult to gauge because powerful is a relative term, some of the more successful dragons currently living in the Realms are as follows:
Balagos "The Flying Flame" (Red with multiple lairs in Amn), Dheubpurcwenpyl "The Honored Queen of the Depths" (Deep in the ruins of Brightaxe Hall), Gestaniius (Blue in the Dragonsword Mountains), Ghondalaath (Blue of Anauroch), Klauth "Old Snarl" (Red who roams The High Forest and The North), Lareth "King of Justice" (Gold), Maldraedior (Blue from the Smoking Mountains in Unther), Mithbarazak (Silver from Iltkazar in the Underdark), Palarandusk "The Unseen Protector" (Gold in the Sword Mountains), Raulothim "The Silent Shadow" (Emerald from Ruathym), Shhuusshuru "Shadow Wing" (Shadow Dracolich in the Far Hills), Sneighfanglen (White) and Tamarand (Gold near Bloodstone Pass). The Morueme clan (Blue dragons of the Nether Mountains) although not powerful individually are quite a force together.
Most of the greatest dragons to have ever lived in Faerun are no longer alive save in legend or rumor. Some of these were Thauglorimorgorus "The Black Doom" (Black in Cormyr), Ylveraasahlisar "The Rose Dragon" (Red from Calimshan), and Tchazzar (Red from Chessenta thought to have been an incarnation of Tiamat!  )
I think Reds tend to be the most numerous of all the dragons and possibly the most notorious for being obsessed with power or wealth.
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Originally posted by jaciris
Who are the most powerful dragons in Faerum( dead or alive)??
( powerful = in terms of might, magic, economically, political...etc in all terms )
What specific sub-race of Dragon is the most powerful
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 02:31:45
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Well, that's what I was getting at. *sniff* Guess I was just too lazy to type it out!  |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 04:02:43
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Originally posted by Maecenus of Westgate
I think Reds tend to be the most numerous of all the dragons and possibly the most notorious for being obsessed with power or wealth.
Does this mean it is a good thing I have rid my realm of the reds? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 05:48:36
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| And let's not forget Sapphiraktar the Blue (ancient blue dracolich) who is one of the leaders of the Twisted Rune. |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 06:03:49
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| I'll just add that, currently, the biggest, baddest of them all is Daurgothoth "The Creeping Doom". He's a great wyrm black dracolich with additional benefits, like massive spellcasting. Look him up in the Wyrms of the North link I gave earlier. |
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Beowulf
Learned Scribe
Canada
322 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2004 : 16:48:12
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Hail!
One of the greatest dragons I can think of is Venomihandar, "Venom" for short, who plagued the elves of Cormanthor for hundreds of years.
He is thought to have been a throw back to the dragons from the Time of Dragons. He commanded an army of wyverns that used to live in the Scar of Scardale. His magics created the area of Tangled Trees in the Cormanthor forest.
One of his offspring became known as "Green Magic" due to the potency of her magic.
Another of his offspring, whose appellation is the "Monarch Reborn", is currently trying to become one with a, errr, crashed spelljammer.
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Maecenus of Westgate
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2004 : 12:59:36
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I think you are right about Daurgothoth, Melfius. By Torm, He's got a CR 49!! He just might be one of the most powerful creatures in Toril.
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Originally posted by Melfius
I'll just add that, currently, the biggest, baddest of them all is Daurgothoth "The Creeping Doom". He's a great wyrm black dracolich with additional benefits, like massive spellcasting. Look him up in the Wyrms of the North link I gave earlier.
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 04:25:08
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| I have read about him but i haven't seen any stats but Eldenser the Wyrm who hides in Blades seems mysterious and powerful. Also the purple dragon of cormyr Thaugloimorgorus seemed strong again I know no stats but he is a dragon. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 01:58:16
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| Don't forget there are different levels of power too. Daurgothoth might be the most powerful combatwise, but politically Mithbarakaz (Underdark page 156, Male Great Wyrm Silver Dragon) is the King of Iltkazar the Mithral Kingdom. He probably has the most Political power of any dragon out there. But seems he has run into a little bit of trouble recently (being imprisoned on the Astral by servants of Tiamat). |
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 03:03:13
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You make a good point political power is also important for they command armies have allies to help them and possibly better relations with other nations. The only thing is aren't dragons feared for ther combat power more than politics? |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 04:25:08
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
You make a good point political power is also important for they command armies have allies to help them and possibly better relations with other nations. The only thing is aren't dragons feared for ther combat power more than politics?
Quite true, but then again people tend to be very polite to a politician that can squash you like a bug at will.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36965 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 06:06:50
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
You make a good point political power is also important for they command armies have allies to help them and possibly better relations with other nations. The only thing is aren't dragons feared for ther combat power more than politics?
Quite true, but then again people tend to be very polite to a politician that can squash you like a bug at will.
Like Ahnold, for example...  |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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tauster
Senior Scribe
Germany
399 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 10:16:38
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there´s one more dragon with considerable political influence, besides her massive physical and magical powers: Aurgloroasa, The Sibilant Shadow - a shadow dracolich unter the southern thunderpeaks.
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she "lives" in thunderholme, a once large and well- known dwarven city under the mountains between cormyr and sembia. the 2e draconomicon tells us that several other dragons pay tribute to her (in gold and services - at least that´s my interpretation...)
in my campaign [read: "canon lore ends here" ], The Sibilant Shadow is more of a political force behind the scenes, unseen and unknown save to a very few individuals. she holds sway over a several thieves guilds as well as other organizations like minor trading costers and important or at least useful individuals from all fields of activity. for axample, she has a cult cell of moander under her sway that tries to free the divine fragment of the "deceased" god that is imprisoned under hunters down (see volos guide to the dalelands). her further plans concerning the divine fragment are unknown to all but her...
Aurgloroasa is a cleric of the draconic god of death ("Null" in 2e, iirc) and commands great numnbers of undead, ranging from hordes of undead dwarves (the former citizens of thunderholme (or "...home"?) to powerful, self- created creatures (read: "the dm is encourage to insert whateverßs needed to challenge the players" ].
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2005 : 01:48:39
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| Well I can think off only one other dragon who seems to have alot of political influence a whole nation to be exact Sublime Potentate Anwir Dupretiskava the country is full of intrigue but he is still the public ruler and his stats should be moderet cause he is a dragon. |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2005 : 02:48:38
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| Well, one more point in favor of Daurgothoth is the fact that Mystra has declared him 'hands off' to her Chosen. They know of him, but are forbidden from doing anything about him. At least, for now. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Jan 2005 : 06:51:50
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Originally posted by tauster
Aurgloroasa is a cleric of the draconic god of death ("Null" in 2e, iirc)...
That's right. Null, otherwise known as the Deathwyrm and as Guardian of the Lost, is the draconic deity of Death and the Dead. In 2e, he resided in Gehenna and was a greater power. His alignment is LE/LN, because of the contradictory aspects of his portfolio. In one aspect (LE), Null is envisioned as enjoying the taking of life (further exemplified by his title of the Deathwyrm or Reaver). And, in the other, as Guardian of the Dead (LN), Null is said to shepherd the souls (or animae) of dragons to their respective planes when they die and watch over them so that they will no longer be troubled by their enemies.
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Senbar Flay
Learned Scribe
185 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2005 : 23:20:35
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| This is more of an opinionated question but overall who do you beleive to the stongest type of dragon in general combatwise and possilbe economically wich dragons tend to have more treasure. If that can be said they all don't horde it like crazy> |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2005 : 16:06:25
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
This is more of an opinionated question but overall who do you beleive to the stongest type of dragon in general combatwise and possilbe economically wich dragons tend to have more treasure. If that can be said they all don't horde it like crazy>
Out of the Dragons in the Monster Manual 3.5, the Gold Dragon, beyond that I would have to do some digging in other books. |
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Maecenus of Westgate
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2005 : 18:45:58
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As far as combat prowess goes, maybe Blacks or Reds are slightly stronger than other true chromatic dragons and of Golds or Silvers for metallic (not including any gem dragons, etc.). From what i've read, coppers seem to be the least obsessed with wealth but i'm probably wrong.
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Originally posted by Senbar Flay
This is more of an opinionated question but overall who do you beleive to the stongest type of dragon in general combatwise and possilbe economically wich dragons tend to have more treasure. If that can be said they all don't horde it like crazy>
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